People Who have Seen Jesus

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Do you think it's possible that someone could have seen Jesus, God, their guardian angel, or the light. I have been told that when you die, if you don't commit suicide, you see the light and have a choice whether to go back to earth or not.

I have a friend that once tried to commit suicide and saw the light, so your information isn't entirely correct.

the light is theresult of brain cells being starved for oxygen and the optic nerve dying

Not exactly cognito,

You know how a dead person's eyes dilate reeeeeaaaallly big?

Well the same thing happens when you get put under for surgery, I've been through it a bunch of times so far, the anesthetic they use dilates the crap out of your eyes and everything goes white before you pass out.
Its called twilight sleep.

You see the light when you die from a combination of your eyes dilating from going into shock and all of your muscles (including those controlling your iris) start going slack dilating it further.


Now the whole life flashing before your eyes thing? THAT is from your brain starting to fire off randomly because its suffering trauma as you die, sometimes from lack of oxygen.
It just fires off randomly and those memories you see are when it hits your memory centers, those things you see in the light? Well thats called a hallucination friend.
LSD fires off all over the brain too, but what causes the hallucinations is when it hits a verry small part of the brain. I would assume the near death/death hallucinations of angels and whatnot are when the random firings of neurons associated with death hit that spot as well.
Oh the feelings of peace as you go? Have you ever been seriously injured?
I have a few times, its called shock. Part of it includes your brain releasing dopamine and seratonin as a survival mechanism so that you won't freak out as much and stand a better chance of survival.
Believe me when I had tendons and arteries severed last december I felt really freakily peaceful as I gimped downstairs and went to the hospital nearly bleeding out so yeah first hand experience and all that.


So Lexi I'm not gonna bash whatever belief structure you may hold as far as the afterlife goes, but those particular aspects are feel good BS. Death isn't pretty for the most part. The exceptions of course being your own death if your lucky enough to get the right combo of brain reactions from the process you might think its glorious and those with interesting aesthetic values.

But don't let me dissuade you, it could be argued that the whole blissed out hallucinating death is a gift from some benevolent creator figure to help you through an otherwise terrible, ugly, and horrifying event.

what is the source of this information?

i think some people are...not that i know though....lol...

you know what guys...you can believe in anything...but anything itself is neither right or wrong... but i'm just saying...anything is possible in this universe....

Hmmm,
But if there is no truth.... then that statement can't be true but it would then prove the absense of truth making it true..... grrrrr.

Self defeating philisophical statements!
I think there is truth but the search for what exactly it is defines a big part of human existance. Because if there is no truth then the world is meaningless.
I'm saying you can't hide behind statements that try to make everyone happy, either say you don't know and don't have an opinion or find one don't say truth doesn't matter......

.....that is unless your simply illustrating that the idea of "truth" in and of itself is a fabrication of humans in a feeble attempt to understand the nature of the universe and aspects of it. Which would mean our basic assumptions of reality do not apply thereby negating truth and everything else entirely!
Then what truly IS?
Or would it be feeble for our tiny minds to even comprehend anything in the face of the unknowable?
but of course that would imply some sort of truth which this argument has already decided does not exist in any real sense.
Or does it but only on planes of thought beyond our comprehension?

Okay my thinking muscles are tuckered out.

You win this round Fredozindo! But someday I'll return! maybe not today or next week.....but soooon.... -_-
*twirls mustache*
yes then you shall rue the day you ever stated stuff about the nature of the universe or the lack thereof!

Muwaahhahahahahahahhaaaa!! !! !!

lol... idk what you just say....

I know that from my beliefs that if one kills himself, then he goes to hell. No choice at all. But I dont really know if you get a chance to come back. idk It may sound like I contradicted my statements but bare with me.

Is it possible to hallucinate? Yes.

ruveyn

Yeah well a combination of exhaustion, boredom, and having taken a few philosophy classes has been known to spawn bizzare rants on the subject..... so yeah.


And Lexi, I will have to kind of go with you on this in a way.

Suicide is kind of a jerk thing to do, it hurts the people around you and is a long term solution to short term problems oftentimes.
And if we do indeed live on after death as a soul or whatever you would call it and said entity remains conscious of things and isn't some sort of unthinking energy or some such, yes I do believe those who resort to suicide would indeed feel much regret about it without much to do about the situation.

So in that way I suppose you could say they were in a hell of their own making at the verry least right?

I'm not sure if all suicides would need to be punished by some cosmic force though.
I mean allot of the times its the final and fatal symptom of some mental illness or another so it wouldn't be much different than punishing someone for dieing of cancer right?


I think its an interesting subject to contemplate, the possibility of existence after death that is.
Even though I personally don't have any real belief in the judeo-christian religeons, its still something to think about right?
Although for atheists its more of a thought exercise than anything, but those can be fun!

how do we know that "hallucinations" are meaningless.
I say this as you seem to dismiss anything to do with religion .. open your mind a little.

When the American military started testing pilots with G-forces to prepare them for flight, a peculiar phenomena appeared. When the G-forces were very high, pilots started experiencing Near Death Experiences, even though they were not in any sort of danger!

NDEs can't be taken seriously.

if you ask for forgivness with your last breath you will be forgiven of the sin

I once knew a girl who claimed to have heard God speak to her.

If there was a god, shouldn't he be sorting out wars, world hunger, etc, before worrying about proving his existence to a spoilt eight-year-old girl in a rich Western country?

Conclusion: there's either no God, or he has his priorities all wrong.

your arguement is as old as the hills