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25 Jul 2009, 1:49 pm

energy?

What would the implications be if we could effectively turn our dead to electric energy? Say, for example, through the same process that biomass is currently converted to energy.

Would this be a benefit in our struggle for more energy?


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25 Jul 2009, 3:09 pm

skafather84 wrote:
energy?

What would the implications be if we could effectively turn our dead to electric energy? Say, for example, through the same process that biomass is currently converted to energy.

Would this be a benefit in our struggle for more energy?


The most energetic of conversion of mass to energy is done in an H-Bomb. About seven tenths of one percent of the mass is converted to energy. Your proposal lacks a scientific basis.

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25 Jul 2009, 3:38 pm

ruveyn wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
energy?

What would the implications be if we could effectively turn our dead to electric energy? Say, for example, through the same process that biomass is currently converted to energy.

Would this be a benefit in our struggle for more energy?


The most energetic of conversion of mass to energy is done in an H-Bomb. About seven tenths of one percent of the mass is converted to energy. Your proposal lacks a scientific basis.

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Yes, I'm all for nuclear power too.


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25 Jul 2009, 3:54 pm

ruveyn wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
energy?

What would the implications be if we could effectively turn our dead to electric energy? Say, for example, through the same process that biomass is currently converted to energy.

Would this be a benefit in our struggle for more energy?


The most energetic of conversion of mass to energy is done in an H-Bomb. About seven tenths of one percent of the mass is converted to energy. Your proposal lacks a scientific basis.

ruveyn

His proposal doesn't lack a scientific basis, you could burn dead people to run generators, just as biomass is used. Does it have possible economic uses and is it cost-effective? probably not.



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25 Jul 2009, 4:54 pm

Morbid energy! Now in homes across Russia.



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25 Jul 2009, 5:24 pm

Michjo wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
energy?

What would the implications be if we could effectively turn our dead to electric energy? Say, for example, through the same process that biomass is currently converted to energy.

Would this be a benefit in our struggle for more energy?


The most energetic of conversion of mass to energy is done in an H-Bomb. About seven tenths of one percent of the mass is converted to energy. Your proposal lacks a scientific basis.

ruveyn

His proposal doesn't lack a scientific basis, you could burn dead people to run generators, just as biomass is used. Does it have possible economic uses and is it cost-effective? probably not.


^That's essentially what I meant when I said "...through the same process that biomass is currently converted to energy." I mean the process by which corn is burned, creating steam energy that is then converted to electric energy.

No clue if cadavers would produce the same energy as corn biomass, though.


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25 Jul 2009, 6:31 pm

People!

Someone had to say it..;)

It's a modest proposal...;)

Biomass would best be something humans didn't eat or use, grew fast and plentiful, and was renewable. I'm wondering sometimes why they couldn't engineer some plants for greater oil production (think diesel), and do that.

Corn lobbies are behind a lot of what we do in this...



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25 Jul 2009, 6:54 pm

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People!

Someone had to say it..;)

It's a modest proposal...;)

Biomass would best be something humans didn't eat or use, grew fast and plentiful, and was renewable.



I'd turn "pro-life" if that was a part of the need/reasoning.


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25 Jul 2009, 9:43 pm

There is a long tradition in human cultures (all of them) to respect the dead. It was an uphill fight for researchers from Leonardo DaVinci (and previous seekers after truth) to go against this tradition and dissect dead bodies to understand how we are constructed. To use human bodies as industrial material requires a major change in cultural attitudes inspite of the disdain displayed in war and totalitarian regimes for human dead. To eat the dead may be practical as in Soylent Green if the transmission of diseases can be eliminated but the ghoul is a standard horror character and cannot be psychologically dismissed. Humans already cremate their dead in an acceptable way and if cremation can somehow be connected to power creation I suppose a mythical tradition could be manufactured that the souls remain within the electrical system but it does not seem to me to be an efficient means of power production. Much more useful would be burial to fertilize the soil for future food production which is a minor variation of current procedures and a slight twist on the Soylent Green approach.



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26 Jul 2009, 1:18 am

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There is a long tradition in human cultures (all of them) to respect the dead. It was an uphill fight for researchers from Leonardo DaVinci (and previous seekers after truth) to go against this tradition and dissect dead bodies to understand how we are constructed. To use human bodies as industrial material requires a major change in cultural attitudes inspite of the disdain displayed in war and totalitarian regimes for human dead. To eat the dead may be practical as in Soylent Green if the transmission of diseases can be eliminated but the ghoul is a standard horror character and cannot be psychologically dismissed. Humans already cremate their dead in an acceptable way and if cremation can somehow be connected to power creation I suppose a mythical tradition could be manufactured that the souls remain within the electrical system but it does not seem to me to be an efficient means of power production. Much more useful would be burial to fertilize the soil for future food production which is a minor variation of current procedures and a slight twist on the Soylent Green approach.


Interesting...do we have a problem with proper soil?

Honestly, I was hoping someone would be able to go "Cadavers don't produce nearly the energy of corn biomass, check the math!"...but we never get what we hope for. And I'm alright with that.


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26 Jul 2009, 11:48 am

A more feasible system involves fermentation of sewage into methane, and using what is left over as a fertilizer. The technology is there, it has been done in some places. One problem is that sewer systems are open to other types of waste, and the fertilizer residue in some places would be too high in heavy metals.



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26 Jul 2009, 11:58 pm

I saw a documentary about trains and how they used to use mummies for fuel for a while when coal was scarce.

Soylent Green is one of my favorite movies. It reminds me of the US health care system. Sometimes I imagine that all the food additives, aluminum leached from cans, and junk food was created to cause health problems. Then I imagine that the meds are created to make money off of all of the created health problems. I know it's just my imagination but I still won't eat anything out of an aluminum can.


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27 Jul 2009, 12:08 am

Magnus wrote:
I saw a documentary about trains and how they used to use mummies for fuel for a while when coal was scarce.

Soylent Green is one of my favorite movies. It reminds me of the US health care system. Sometimes I imagine that all the food additives, aluminum leached from cans, and junk food was created to cause health problems. Then I imagine that the meds are created to make money off of all of the created health problems. I know it's just my imagination but I still won't eat anything out of an aluminum can.



you'll have more health problems from high fructose corn syrup than aluminum cans.


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27 Jul 2009, 12:08 am

I would vote FOR creating technology to accommodate this type of usage of the human body at death.

I am NOT getting involved in philosophic, political, or religious views on this.

In my opinion we should bring the technology forth and add it as another option along with cremation. As cremation is pretty much the same damn thing.


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27 Jul 2009, 8:43 am

skafather84 wrote:
Magnus wrote:
I saw a documentary about trains and how they used to use mummies for fuel for a while when coal was scarce.

Soylent Green is one of my favorite movies. It reminds me of the US health care system. Sometimes I imagine that all the food additives, aluminum leached from cans, and junk food was created to cause health problems. Then I imagine that the meds are created to make money off of all of the created health problems. I know it's just my imagination but I still won't eat anything out of an aluminum can.



you'll have more health problems from high fructose corn syrup than aluminum cans.


I avoid high fructose corn syrup as well. It's nearly impossible though.


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27 Jul 2009, 12:47 pm

Wait a minute, if we use dead people in the military, there will be no casualties, as everybody is already dead! Less upkeep is necessary, too. I'm a genius! :D


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