I don't have a heart. Is it possible for me to get one?

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DragonDamsel
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26 Aug 2010, 3:50 am

I won't go into the details, but here's the crux of the matter: I broke my parents' hearts today

Intellectually, I realize that I'm a loser, a monster, an a**hole, cold, wrong, bad, horrible, selfish, ungrateful, unfilial and many other adjective that I don't know of.

Emotionally, I don't feel a thing. No remorse, regret, shame never mind love. My mom even cry infront of me and tells me that she couldn't eat and could hardly sleep and I don't even feel a twinge in my blood pumping organ. Just this tiny uncomfortable feeling, but that's it. I'm going to hell for this sin and I don't even feel bad, nervous or fearful. Nothing

I know the best I could do to remedy the situation is to improve myself and apologize at the very least.

But is it right for me to say sorry, when I don't feels sorry? That will be a lie and I'm a bad actor so my parents will know that it's a lie.

I know that this is not AS thing, since a lot of people here do have empathy/sympathy/compassion. Some even feel too much, it's just that AS are bad at expressing emotions. I'm sure that I'm not anti-social since I do have morals. (Or atleast my brain has it anyway). I care about not hurting/offending people. (One of the reasons why I stay away from people. That and they don't like/care about me)

I'm pretty sure that I used to have feelings, even if nowadays I can't seem to really feel anything other than anger, annoyance and nothing. All other emotions are far too fleeting. (I do care about people intellectually and do experience mild curiosity but that's not really the matter of the heart) I always has a hard time understanding emotions. I'm basically in poverty when it come to my own feelings, never mind understanding other people's emotion.

I don't really feel desire, but my mind do know what it want. I want to be a better person, a decent person. I need a heart for that to be possible. Is the heart something you just have to be born with? What do you do when the heart die and nothing could make you experience the feeling of caring? What could be done when the connection between the brain and the heart disappear?



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26 Aug 2010, 4:27 am

I use to feel this way when I was youinger,
I do not know if it will change for you,
it does help I think if a way comes along
to make you happy.

Maybe time does it, but I can say this,
the more one is abused by societym the
worse this can get.

Good luck/fortune.


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26 Aug 2010, 5:07 am

you mentioned some discomfort regarding one acting the part of a caring person. but if you do just this- ACT like you care- without fail- you will find over some time that you DO care. this is a slow process but it will dawn on you one of these days.
on a slightly different tack, there are a few cases of psychopaths in prison who genuinely had an epiphany and changed their ways for good. these were the brighter psychopaths, the ones who could reason with rigor, and they [to a person] found an intellectual way to have a heart.



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26 Aug 2010, 5:32 am

Just came by to see if I can give you some sort of advice /support

DragonDamsel wrote:
I won't go into the details, but here's the crux of the matter: I broke my parents' hearts today

May I ask why you just letted me expend an hour talking about nonsense when you have important issues that are worrying you?. Im not mad or anything I just want to make sure you understand friends are meant to be supportive to each other and that if you wanted to talk about it we could have done it.


Back on topic:
You dont give much detail but Im going to give it a shot.
I dont think you are a monster, loser... whatever because you have had some sort of argument with your parents, and I doubt your parents think you are a loser etc.
I have had multiple arguments with my parents over time, some where about small things and others were about more important stuff but they have allways made an effort to understand my point of view so maybe you vould try explaining to them why are you acting so cold etc.

You already know you have made a mistake(thats halfway through) you now need to apologize to them. You may not feel remorse, regret etc but thats what your parents are expecting you to do and it would sort things out.

Your parents may realize that you are faking the regret and so however they will see that you are making an effort on trying to get things back to normal and Im my opinion thats better than feeling regret but doing nothing about it.


You are going to have to face several ocassions like this one through your lifetime, you want to be sorry but for some odd reason you arent. As I mentioned people dont usually expect a real apology but a sign that you understood that you did something wrong and you are trying to solve the problem you created.


Im not sure about how could you "start feeling" again so I cant be much help on that issue



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26 Aug 2010, 6:06 am

spongy wrote:
Just came by to see if I can give you some sort of advice /support
DragonDamsel wrote:
I won't go into the details, but here's the crux of the matter: I broke my parents' hearts today

May I ask why you just letted me expend an hour talking about nonsense when you have important issues that are worrying you?. Im not mad or anything I just want to make sure you understand friends are meant to be supportive to each other and that if you wanted to talk about it we could have done it.


Back on topic:
You dont give much detail but Im going to give it a shot.
I dont think you are a monster, loser... whatever because you have had some sort of argument with your parents, and I doubt your parents think you are a loser etc.
I have had multiple arguments with my parents over time, some where about small things and others were about more important stuff but they have allways made an effort to understand my point of view so maybe you vould try explaining to them why are you acting so cold etc.

You already know you have made a mistake(thats halfway through) you now need to apologize to them. You may not feel remorse, regret etc but thats what your parents are expecting you to do and it would sort things out.

Your parents may realize that you are faking the regret and so however they will see that you are making an effort on trying to get things back to normal and Im my opinion thats better than feeling regret but doing nothing about it.


You are going to have to face several ocassions like this one through your lifetime, you want to be sorry but for some odd reason you arent. As I mentioned people dont usually expect a real apology but a sign that you understood that you did something wrong and you are trying to solve the problem you created.


Im not sure about how could you "start feeling" again so I cant be much help on that issue


I don't mean to insult you, but talking about the little meaningless things is what I want. It take my mind off the serious, heavy issues. I don't want to think about how much of a crappy daughter I am all the time. I want to think about other things that's not so boring and serious like my studies, or serious and should be distressing things like my parents. I want to feel normal, doing things that won't come with serious consequences. Talking with you about the little things in life is relaxing to me, not something I feel often.

And thank you for all advices, I will try apologizing to my parents and explain to them that I do care even if I don't feel the appropriate feelings.



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26 Aug 2010, 6:26 am

DragonDamsel wrote:
I don't mean to insult you, but talking about the little meaningless things is what I want. It take my mind off the serious, heavy issues. I don't want to think about how much of a crappy daughter I am all the time. I want to think about other things that's not so boring and serious like my studies, or serious and should be distressing things like my parents. I want to feel normal, doing things that won't come with serious consequences. Talking with you about the little things in life is relaxing to me, not something I feel often.

And thank you for all advices, I will try apologizing to my parents and explain to them that I do care even if I don't feel the appropriate feelings.


I wont take it as an insult.

I was only trying to let you know that if you ever wanna talk about other stuff we can give it a go(you are likely to get bored of hearing me ramble all the time).

Im glad you find our conversations relaxing and I hope we can keep them for a long time(we may need to re-schedule in a week when university starts but I think we can find another suitable time).

Hope you can fix things with your parents soon.



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26 Aug 2010, 7:46 am

Don't waste time forcing yourself to 'feel' something before trying to make a change. Even if you have to intellectually become a nicer person, it will still make others feel better, and you'll probably find the 'feelings' come naturally after a while.



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26 Aug 2010, 9:40 am

There are some things that should and shouldn't be said . . . trust me, its a long, painstaking lesson. Unfortunately, I'm too quiet and don't say much for fear that someone will misinterpret (exact opposite of your problem). There are some things I wish I could say, but the rules I was brought up with kinda makes me a creature of habit with them now. Usually a, "I'm apologize for hurting you, but this is the truth," helps some times. Even if you can't feel, you do feel the need to do something to reconcile, no? Otherwise, you wouldn't be putting yourself down in your statement :) . To me, a good person knows his/her faults, makes no attempt to hide them, but knows to treat others with respect . . . lack of empathy has little to do with one's need to be a better person. When in doubt, back to basic rules: If you can't say something nice, don't say it and respect those who in turn respect you. Now if you said something out of stress (say they were arguing, and it made you anxious like it does many of us), I can understand . . . but you can still apologize since you know you did something wrong. Cheer up :) .

PS - you do have feelings/a heart, otherwise you wouldn't have felt guilty about your mistake.



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26 Aug 2010, 9:52 am

DragonDamsel wrote:
What could be done when the connection between the brain and the heart disappear?


Sometimes when I'm dealing with an emotionally-charged situation, I get overloaded and sort of shut down and feel numb. I think disconnecting can be an inadvertant or unconscious coping mechanism for being overly sensitive.

I've found it can be helpful to keep a journal and then read over what I wrote a few days (or even weeks) later, after I've had the chance to calm down. I can usually reconnect with my feelings and gain some perspective on a particular situation or relationship, at a later time.



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26 Aug 2010, 10:03 am

You could always meet the Wizard of Oz and he'll give you a heart...



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26 Aug 2010, 12:03 pm

Heart? Want mine? It's been broken too many times and I don't want it any more. I don't want to care any more. A little bit of that would be nice right about now.

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26 Aug 2010, 2:55 pm

DragonDamsel wrote:
I won't go into the details, but here's the crux of the matter: I broke my parents' hearts today

Intellectually, I realize that I'm a loser, a monster, an a**hole, cold, wrong, bad, horrible, selfish, ungrateful, unfilial and many other adjective that I don't know of.

Emotionally, I don't feel a thing. No remorse, regret, shame never mind love. My mom even cry infront of me and tells me that she couldn't eat and could hardly sleep and I don't even feel a twinge in my blood pumping organ. Just this tiny uncomfortable feeling, but that's it. I'm going to hell for this sin and I don't even feel bad, nervous or fearful. Nothing

I know the best I could do to remedy the situation is to improve myself and apologize at the very least.

But is it right for me to say sorry, when I don't feels sorry? That will be a lie and I'm a bad actor so my parents will know that it's a lie.

I know that this is not AS thing, since a lot of people here do have empathy/sympathy/compassion. Some even feel too much, it's just that AS are bad at expressing emotions. I'm sure that I'm not anti-social since I do have morals. (Or atleast my brain has it anyway). I care about not hurting/offending people. (One of the reasons why I stay away from people. That and they don't like/care about me)

I'm pretty sure that I used to have feelings, even if nowadays I can't seem to really feel anything other than anger, annoyance and nothing. All other emotions are far too fleeting. (I do care about people intellectually and do experience mild curiosity but that's not really the matter of the heart) I always has a hard time understanding emotions. I'm basically in poverty when it come to my own feelings, never mind understanding other people's emotion.

I don't really feel desire, but my mind do know what it want. I want to be a better person, a decent person. I need a heart for that to be possible. Is the heart something you just have to be born with? What do you do when the heart die and nothing could make you experience the feeling of caring? What could be done when the connection between the brain and the heart disappear?


I don't understand why should we equalize being emotional and being "good". From what you said your mother was using a guilty card on you because of the lack of responsiveness on your part. If you think you did something wrong, you can apologise no matter how it "feels" like, simply because of ethics and morals of the situation.

Your problem could be simply on the level of brain wiring since in the autistic brain the expected size relationships of various parts of the brain to one another seems to be disproportionate or distorted. the cerebellum is larger, amygdala and the hippocampus are different, and the corpus callosum is smaller - which means that those areas might be disconnected functionally since in an autistic these structures have densely packed neurons which are smaller than those in a healthy brain. Any difference in connectivity among the neurons is going to result in a defect in communication within the brain and the processing of both outputs and inputs. This indicates general changes in behaviour such as responding to inputs in a usual manner.

In other words you could be having alexithymia - 85% of ASD individuals have it - it involves the inability to verbally express emotions, also the inability to identify emotional states in self or others. The emotional information from the right hemisphere is not being properly transferred to the language regions in the left hemisphere, which can be caused by a decreased corpus callosum. It also may be due to a disturbance to the right hemisphere of the brain, which is largely responsible for processing emotions.

So no need to blame yourself for the lack of emotional reciprocity - it is not your fault. As long as you can morally distinguish between the "right" and "wrong" you're on the right path. :thumright:



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26 Aug 2010, 8:51 pm

LittleTigger wrote:
I use to feel this way when I was youinger,
I do not know if it will change for you,
it does help I think if a way comes along
to make you happy.

Maybe time does it, but I can say this,
the more one is abused by societym the
worse this can get.

Good luck/fortune.


I agree, depending on the society, as not all are the same,
but some just keep chipping it away.. till it is gone..
..and some take it before a person is born..



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26 Aug 2010, 9:17 pm

Perhaps the wizard of Oz can give you a heart? He helped the tin man


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26 Aug 2010, 9:40 pm

I have the same problem, I came to a point about a month ago where I relized I didn't care about my family or anybody for that fact, however my intellectual side understands that I should feel sorry ect..., so what I did was asked the intellectual side of my brain what I should do feel bad for the person, carefor some one, ect... Now not everything is going to work for you o still find it hard to really care if someone else has a bad day or how rude i am but other things like saying sorry I have learned to fake them, now I had a talk with my mom and dad about this and they were both ok with me acting how I was as long as I atleast faked it and tried, now you don't have to tell your parents it just helped me to do so.


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26 Aug 2010, 9:40 pm

I have the same problem, I came to a point about a month ago where I relized I didn't care about my family or anybody for that fact, however my intellectual side understands that I should feel sorry ect..., so what I did was asked the intellectual side of my brain what I should do feel bad for the person, carefor some one, ect... Now not everything is going to work for you o still find it hard to really care if someone else has a bad day or how rude i am but other things like saying sorry I have learned to fake them, now I had a talk with my mom and dad about this and they were both ok with me acting how I was as long as I atleast faked it and tried, now you don't have to tell your parents it just helped me to do so.


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