Spergling wrote:
its true, this evilutionist theory of "something out of nothing" makes absolutley no sense! idk how anyone can believe it.
I don't know how anyone can believe the myth of "Adam, Eve and the Big, Bad Talking Snake".
Do you honestly think that makes MORE sense than the theory of evolution?
A "god" creates a man out of dirt, and then rips one of his ribs out and creates a woman, they have two sons, and then what? Massive INCEST, apparently. It's disgusting. I don't know how anyone can believe that. And earth is only 6,000 years old? Really? How do you account for all the different races? How do you account for the dinosaurs?
Let's not even get into the Noah and the Flood story. One pair of every species on earth? Really? Do you have any idea how many species there are?
Honestly, the only way anyone can take the bible literally is if they're too afraid of "hell" to use their "god-given" brain to think rationally. Ask yourself "Why would this "god" give me a brain if he didn't want me to use it?"
Have you actually read the whole bible? I bet if you do, you'll become an atheist, or at least a non-believer in the biblical (Middle Eastern) god. Why would you want to believe in a god who mass murders children? Why would you want to believe in a god who wipes out whole cities full of men, women and children? Why would you want to believe in a god who tells us to STONE PEOPLE TO DEATH? And for what? Murder? Nah - just having consensual sex. And not just homosexual sex either, but ANY sex outside of marriage, including adultery, pre-marital sex, etc.. According to this god, 90% of Americans should be stoned to death. And do you really think ANYONE deserves to be tortured for the rest of eternity in "hell"? How can anyone do so much evil in a short human lifetime to deserve THAT much punishment?
I'm sorry, but all of that really, really offends my morals. I find it barbaric.
I have a lot more to say on the subject, because I was raised Christian, read the bible, thought about it a LOT, agonized over it all for a few years, and finally rejected it outright. Which is not to say that I think most Christians are bad people, or that Jesus was a bad guy - on the contrary, I think Jesus was a good guy (at least, as far as I can make out from the often nonsensical, highly contradictory gospels.) Having said that, his teachings are way too extreme for my tastes - I don't want to be homeless, poverty stricken, wandering about, preaching the gospel, "speaking in tongues" (sounds psychotic to me), turning the other cheek to every bully, giving my shirt to the guy who steals my coat, etc.
I think Jesus was rebelling against biblical religion (Old Testament Judaism), and would be just as shocked and outraged at the Christian religion, which is largely based on the religion he was rebelling against, and which largely discarded his teachings and instead turned him into an idol to be feared and worshiped (and hung on the wall, worn as a piece of jewelry, etc.). I think it's likely that Jesus was highly influenced by the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, aka "Buddha". His teachings of compassion, asexuality, poverty and radical non-violence are the same, and almost diametrically opposed to the entire Hebrew bible.
By the way, Jesus was NOT the "messiah" prophesied in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). Why do you think the Jewish religion survived all these years? Only a handful of Jews followed Jesus (and they were merely Hebrews really, not practicing Jews, because by following Jesus they were committing heresy and apostasy). The Hebrew Bible says the messiah will be a great political leader, who would unite the Jewish people in an uprising against the Romans or whatever empire was oppressing them. Jesus was not that guy. That's why he was executed - for blasphemy, heresy, etc., just like the Old Testament says he should have been. In the 1800's, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon Church, claimed to be Jesus returned (i.e., the Christian messiah prophesied in the New Testament). For that "blasphemy", he was murdered by crazed Christians. It's the exact same thing the Jewish priesthood did to Jesus. Same thing happened to the founder of the Baha'i faith - he was murdered by crazed Muslims, because according to Islam, Mohammad was the last (and final) prophet, and the religion he founded is perfect, exactly as "god" wants, and cannot be improved upon. Islam is almost the same as Old Testament Judaism, which it is a close copy of.
Me, I don't like all these bloody, hateful, murderous religions, and the cruel "god" they worship. I don't like them at all.
Incidentally, if any of you Christians are open-minded, you should do a little research on the Zoroastrian religion of ancient Persia. The parallels with Judaism and Christianity are astounding. Only one problem - Zoroastrianism is older than the other two. So you tell me - is it pure coincidence, or are Judaism and Christianity (and Islam) largely plagiarisms of this older religion?
If you study some of the many other religions, both living and dead, you will find that they all contain some wisdom and beauty as well as a lot of non-sense. None of them is either provable or disprovable. Some strike me as more enlightened (compassionate, fair-minded, tolerant, non-violent, etc.) than others: Buddhism, Unitarianism, and Baha'i for example. The latter two are very similar. Unitarianism, along with Deism, was very popular among the American founding fathers. Those guys were definitely NOT bible-banging pentecostal or fundamentalist Christians like today's "religious right". They were either "liberal Christians" (similar to today's Mainline Protestants), Unitarian, Deist, agnostic, or atheist. And frankly, Jesus was the original liberal, or hippy, really. Today's "conservatives" are more like the wealthy, powerful Jewish priesthood which executed Jesus for being a dirty blaspheming heretic).
Most people all over the world, past and present, simply believe whatever their parents believed and taught them. If you'd been born in ancient Greece or Rome, you'd believe in Apollo, Zeus, etc. If you were born a Viking, you'd believe in Odin, Thor, etc. If you were born in India, you'd likely be Hindu, or perhaps Muslim, Sikh, Jain, etc. Very few people actually give much thought to their beliefs, and fewer still investigate other beliefs and compare to their own.
I'm almost the same as you believers - like you, I don't believe in any of those other religions which millions and millions of people have found to be true. I only disagree with you about ONE religion: yours.
Actually, I don't know if my opinion is welcome on this thread, so I won't say more until invited to by someone.
Last edited by ThomasL on 06 Oct 2010, 1:27 am, edited 4 times in total.
05 Oct 2010, 9:10 pm
. but i was wondering to those who are christian. do you think god, makes special allowences for aspergers and other such social diffrences. would he send us to hell for it? as ThomasL and SteamPowerDev said he doesnt awlays seem like a very niec person. would he consider autism a sin and treat us diffrent then nts? im sure many of you have heard the atlantis origin story which is circling arounnd the internet. it may seem pretty ridiculious t some but i actually find it quite interesting, and think that maybe aspies where created in a diffrent way than nts, i mean we've been around as long right? thoughts on this?
