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14 Nov 2010, 7:40 am

does this mean that americans will look like cherokees in 10'000 years?

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14 Nov 2010, 7:44 am

ivegotyou wrote:

does this mean that americans will look like cherokees in 10'000 years?

In 10,000 years Americans have a good chance of looking something like the monsters in SF horror movies.

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14 Nov 2010, 8:16 am

Sand wrote:

ivegotyou wrote:

does this mean that americans will look like cherokees in 10'000 years?

In 10,000 years Americans have a good chance of looking something like the monsters in SF horror movies.

Have you any empirical evidence on which to base this assertion?

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14 Nov 2010, 8:27 am

Sand, dont forget that Brazil, Spain, Australia and even my own country has this mixing thing going on, and nothing like that's gonna happen.

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14 Nov 2010, 8:42 am

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Sand, dont forget that Brazil, Spain, Australia and even my own country has this mixing thing going on, and nothing like that's gonna happen.

It's not a matter of different current racial groups having progeny, its a matter that genetic engineering is in its very basic infancy and the thousand years is a hell of a long time. In another half century or so the technical capabilities of the field will most probably be able to make people that can live in environments far more alien than those found even on this planet, people than could walk naked on the airless surface of the Moon, People that could grow wings to fly like birds and make the wings photosynthetic to supply energy from sunlight, people with four, ten or more legs that could live on a high gravity planet comfortably, people whose physiology contains electronic circuitry for radio communication or even visual transmission, etc., etc.. There are endless possibilities and these people will only vaguely resemble the people of today. Assuming, of course, humanity and civilization survives the governance of those now in power. That's a very big if.

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14 Nov 2010, 9:33 am

I agree with sand, if the matter was humans changing through the environment, as proposed, we wouldn't change really much in 10k years.

But with humans changing through humans, it's just another thing. Artificial selection is a proccess with a rhythm far superior than natural selection, with far more drastic consequences.

On that matter also, we are pretty limited to how much of biodiversity will be left when (and if) we really start experimenting with our own nature. If we would like to survive in the depths of the ocean of earth or another planet, it would be a good idea to conserve as much of our high-depth-ocean-life as possible.

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15 Nov 2010, 12:01 am

there was a newsweek issue from a decade or so back, that displayed on the cover a computer-extrapolated image of what a future mixed-race human would look like, and she was absolutely stunning.

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15 Nov 2010, 12:07 am

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there was a newsweek issue from a decade or so back, that displayed on the cover a computer-extrapolated image of what a future mixed-race human would look like, and she was absolutely stunning.

No doubt an individual of racial mixture could be attractive but you don't seem to grasp the extent of the possibilities opening from major technological advances in the control of basic physiology.

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15 Nov 2010, 2:00 am

Sand wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

there was a newsweek issue from a decade or so back, that displayed on the cover a computer-extrapolated image of what a future mixed-race human would look like, and she was absolutely stunning.

No doubt an individual of racial mixture could be attractive but you don't seem to grasp the extent of the possibilities opening from major technological advances in the control of basic physiology.

will you provide some examples, por favor?

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15 Nov 2010, 2:34 am

auntblabby wrote:

Sand wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

there was a newsweek issue from a decade or so back, that displayed on the cover a computer-extrapolated image of what a future mixed-race human would look like, and she was absolutely stunning.

No doubt an individual of racial mixture could be attractive but you don't seem to grasp the extent of the possibilities opening from major technological advances in the control of basic physiology.

will you provide some examples, por favor?

Scientific progress freed from the idiocies of theology has made huge remarkable advances in the mere last three hundred years. If someone would have made predictions before that period that people in the hundreds of thousands would be flying around the world at jet speed, communicating with each other with small pocket instruments, seeing film and other visual material on flat screens in their living rooms and having instant access to information on their desks (amongst many, many other things we take for granted) they would quickly have been sent to the booby hatch.
The current developments in genetic engineering and robotics and computer and information technology easily point to the few things I have suggested and many more that I have not even thought of. The paucity of imagination in this discussion is appalling. Ten thousand years will surely encompass changes in humanity that even the wildest imagination cannot yet conceive.

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15 Nov 2010, 7:42 am

auntblabby wrote:

there was a newsweek issue from a decade or so back, that displayed on the cover a computer-extrapolated image of what a future mixed-race human would look like, and she was absolutely stunning.

In that future mix there would also be some dog ugly folks too.

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15 Nov 2010, 8:46 am

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15 Nov 2010, 8:48 am

Remember, the mass immigration to the US has stopped in the last 50 years, now It's Brazil, Spain, Australia etc. who does that, Brazil is without a doubt the most mixed country in the world, if not a close second to the US (at least in 100 years it will be more mixed).

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15 Nov 2010, 1:45 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

ivegotyou wrote:

does this mean that americans will look like cherokees in 10'000 years?

In 10,000 years Americans have a good chance of looking something like the monsters in SF horror movies.

Have you any empirical evidence on which to base this assertion?

ruveyn

I don't think it was an assertion, so much as it was a joke.

As for evidence... McDonalds? :lol:

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15 Nov 2010, 7:46 pm

Sand wrote:

ivegotyou wrote:

Sand, dont forget that Brazil, Spain, Australia and even my own country has this mixing thing going on, and nothing like that's gonna happen.

And when is this new book going to be released? I'll put in a preorder now.

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15 Nov 2010, 7:50 pm

Adamantus wrote:

Sand wrote:

ivegotyou wrote:

Sand, dont forget that Brazil, Spain, Australia and even my own country has this mixing thing going on, and nothing like that's gonna happen.

And when is this new book going to be released? I'll put in a preorder now.

Here is one source of current information http://www.sciencedaily.com/

Keep up with what's going on.

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