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06 Feb 2011, 9:15 pm

Yeah so I gave it a try, and its done nothing for me......I mean sure I learned I for sure have aspergers, but thats about it. None of his ideas for coping with depression work, he's suggested calming my breathing if I'm anxious which I already do but it does not always help. Just seems kind of pointless. Also I don't want my family to be all supportive and crap it only makes me feel more akward and distant, because it feels to me like they act that way because they feel like they have to or something.

On top of that I am going to college to survive(with college grants and loans), not because I actually think I am going to get a degree and become a professional in some field.......that is meaningless to me as well. I hate that we need useless paper or cards with computer data on them in order to survive but we do......I could not keep or get a job so I am in college instead for that reason. I mean counseling is not going to get rid of what I think about the world or how I feel. I feel like everyone around me is playing a stupid game.......and I am smart enough to see it as such, but still trying to play along but becoming so bored that i just can't pretend anymore. Besides If I see this counseler too many more times then thats just one more person to worry about me. I personally don't really care what happens anymore, I don't see why other people can't just get on with their lives.....I'm probably going to 'mess up' my life but its my life right.



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07 Feb 2011, 12:31 am

Well you definitely sound depressed. It has been my experience that half the therapists out there are not worth seeing. Does your depression relate to your asperger? What I mean is are you depressed ABOUT something or do you just feel bad?



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07 Feb 2011, 12:46 am

jackbus01 wrote:
Well you definitely sound depressed. It has been my experience that half the therapists out there are not worth seeing. Does your depression relate to your asperger? What I mean is are you depressed ABOUT something or do you just feel bad?


I am not depressed about anything specific, I just feel either depressed, numb or anxious in general. though this past week I've been feeling a little better this week due to the cannabis use.....hmm just seems that helps far more then the counseling. I guess there is also the fact that I don't really have any desire to do too well in what I see as a useless society.



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07 Feb 2011, 1:01 am

I think you should continue to see this counseler but if that doesn't work maybe you can find one that can help you. The cannabis use won't be a fix for your problems. Do you have a close friend or family that can help you? Have you been feeling this way a long time?



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07 Feb 2011, 1:08 am

jackbus01 wrote:
I think you should continue to see this counseler but if that doesn't work maybe you can find one that can help you. The cannabis use won't be a fix for your problems. Do you have a close friend or family that can help you? Have you been feeling this way a long time?


I know cannabis is not a cure, it just provides some relief...which I benifit from because then I am a bit more calm about things. I don't really have any friends or family that are much help. I have one friend who I am pretty sure would not stab me in the back......there's my cousins ex who I hang around with sometimes but he probably would not be much help. As for family I don't feel like they are always sincere and I already feel akward enough around them and am finally starting to quite worrying about what they think. But yeah I've been feeling this way for quite a while.



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07 Feb 2011, 11:24 am

Counseling cannot change how you think or feel about the world. It can give you tools to help you work at changing the way you feel. But it is a lot of work. Nothing comes with out effort.

Your therapist (if you haven't changed yet from the last time I suggested a new therapist) may not be the one for you, or you may be unwilling to do the work. (no offense) Sometimes on top of depression working at recovery seems like an overwhelming thing. With counseling, you get out of it what you put into it. At least keep that in mind. Because if you approach it with the same apathy you describe "I personally don't really care what happens anymore, I don't see why other people can't just get on with their lives.....I'm probably going to 'mess up' my life but its my life right.", then you won't change anything.

I wish you the best Sweetleaf, but only you can make the choice to improve the situation and stop the worry of your loved ones.

I hope you'll consider it.


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07 Feb 2011, 11:16 pm

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Counseling cannot change how you think or feel about the world. It can give you tools to help you work at changing the way you feel. But it is a lot of work. Nothing comes with out effort.

Your therapist (if you haven't changed yet from the last time I suggested a new therapist) may not be the one for you, or you may be unwilling to do the work. (no offense) Sometimes on top of depression working at recovery seems like an overwhelming thing. With counseling, you get out of it what you put into it. At least keep that in mind. Because if you approach it with the same apathy you describe "I personally don't really care what happens anymore, I don't see why other people can't just get on with their lives.....I'm probably going to 'mess up' my life but its my life right.", then you won't change anything.

I wish you the best Sweetleaf, but only you can make the choice to improve the situation and stop the worry of your loved ones.

I hope you'll consider it.


I don't see the point in getting a new one, lol I've been in counseling in the past and it never helped to begin with......I don't even know why I thought it would be any different this time. I mean I don't know why exactly I don't care about what happens anymore.....maybe its the combination of being manipulated and pushed around for most of my life by teachers, other kids at school and family members, The stupid PTSD from a girl getting shot at my school oh and all the years of isolation....yeah i went to public school but I went days without saying a single word because i had no idea how to even begin and whenever I did manage to attempt social interaction It only brought me rejection. And well I have been improving my situation as well as i can, or at least getting some relief from it. I guess form an objective standpoint I see the fact that I do not have the nessisary social skills, do not like to be close to people(mentally or physically they can be near but not too close), cannot function they way employers want employees to function at work, I have mental problems and the only 'income' i have is left overs from college loans and grants even though I don't know if I can even make it through community college already failed a regular state college. So I would imagine I won't get very far in this society.



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08 Feb 2011, 6:03 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
So I would imagine I won't get very far in this society.


do you want to?


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08 Feb 2011, 2:57 pm

hyperbole wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
So I would imagine I won't get very far in this society.


do you want to?


Its not anywhere near the top on my priority list, I am pretty sure I started feeling that way about things after observing a lot. I mean I have seen how people act, I even understand why......and I've seen this society from a completly objective veiw point....I mean when your on a different level then them it can be entertaining just to observe from the outside, and then you see all the flaws and things you don't agree with at all and you know everyone is just slowly killing themselves and damaging things around them. So no even if I had better social skills, could relate to people better and do well at a job I would not want to suceed in this society.



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09 Feb 2011, 3:11 am

This reminds me of the many times in life where I have been severely depressed. Counseling can range from a waste of time to helpful. I agree with hyperbole that counseling is a two-way street, and it is work, that is you really have to "work through it".
Unfortunately if you can't see the purpose of ANYTHING anymore and EVERYTHING seems wrong and screwed-up and seems like you can't remember when it wasn't like that--that is clinical depression. The other thing I noticed from your posts is the fact that you say you can't function, seem detached, and seem to have this impending sense of doom--that is also clinical depression, especially when it is pervasive and long-lasting. This kind of depression is a biological problem.
If you are truly thinking and feeling this way then you need to be on some medication because your brain is not working right. I'm not saying that to be mean but I know the experience, I'm now 39 but I've struggled with severe depressions for about 22 years or so (obviously not all at once and yes I'm okay now) and my concern would be that if feel much worse you will have a hard time finding the energy to get some help. Taking medication won't fix your problems, but it will get your brain working better so you can work through your problems.

please see a doctor and consider getting on some medication and going from there, you don't want this to get worse.
I hope I have been helpful to you.



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09 Feb 2011, 4:15 am

jackbus01 wrote:
This reminds me of the many times in life where I have been severely depressed. Counseling can range from a waste of time to helpful. I agree with hyperbole that counseling is a two-way street, and it is work, that is you really have to "work through it".
Unfortunately if you can't see the purpose of ANYTHING anymore and EVERYTHING seems wrong and screwed-up and seems like you can't remember when it wasn't like that--that is clinical depression. The other thing I noticed from your posts is the fact that you say you can't function, seem detached, and seem to have this impending sense of doom--that is also clinical depression, especially when it is pervasive and long-lasting. This kind of depression is a biological problem.
If you are truly thinking and feeling this way then you need to be on some medication because your brain is not working right. I'm not saying that to be mean but I know the experience, I'm now 39 but I've struggled with severe depressions for about 22 years or so (obviously not all at once and yes I'm okay now) and my concern would be that if feel much worse you will have a hard time finding the energy to get some help. Taking medication won't fix your problems, but it will get your brain working better so you can work through your problems.

please see a doctor and consider getting on some medication and going from there, you don't want this to get worse.
I hope I have been helpful to you.


Well I have an appointment to try and get some sort of medical care and possibly food stamps on friday, but from what i hear that can be an on going process that takes months and lots of complicated paper work and such to get anywhere with it. As it stands now as much as I might need some sort of anti-depressant there is no way I could afford it....I use cannabis to help sometimes and it does provide relief but i know self medicating is not usually recommended but hey it makes me feel better as far as my mood goes and gets rid of the un-explainable physical pain that I guess from some research I did can be a sign of depression.

Then lately I feel like Im kind of rejecting most outside help.....not that I fully want to, But I feel like there is no other way. I find myself more sensative about personal space lately to.....so the idea of a bunch of smothering help and support is really unappealing.



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09 Feb 2011, 4:48 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
jackbus01 wrote:
This reminds me of the many times in life where I have been severely depressed. Counseling can range from a waste of time to helpful. I agree with hyperbole that counseling is a two-way street, and it is work, that is you really have to "work through it".
Unfortunately if you can't see the purpose of ANYTHING anymore and EVERYTHING seems wrong and screwed-up and seems like you can't remember when it wasn't like that--that is clinical depression. The other thing I noticed from your posts is the fact that you say you can't function, seem detached, and seem to have this impending sense of doom--that is also clinical depression, especially when it is pervasive and long-lasting. This kind of depression is a biological problem.
If you are truly thinking and feeling this way then you need to be on some medication because your brain is not working right. I'm not saying that to be mean but I know the experience, I'm now 39 but I've struggled with severe depressions for about 22 years or so (obviously not all at once and yes I'm okay now) and my concern would be that if feel much worse you will have a hard time finding the energy to get some help. Taking medication won't fix your problems, but it will get your brain working better so you can work through your problems.

please see a doctor and consider getting on some medication and going from there, you don't want this to get worse.
I hope I have been helpful to you.


Well I have an appointment to try and get some sort of medical care and possibly food stamps on friday, but from what i hear that can be an on going process that takes months and lots of complicated paper work and such to get anywhere with it. As it stands now as much as I might need some sort of anti-depressant there is no way I could afford it....I use cannabis to help sometimes and it does provide relief but i know self medicating is not usually recommended but hey it makes me feel better as far as my mood goes and gets rid of the un-explainable physical pain that I guess from some research I did can be a sign of depression.

Then lately I feel like Im kind of rejecting most outside help.....not that I fully want to, But I feel like there is no other way. I find myself more sensative about personal space lately to.....so the idea of a bunch of smothering help and support is really unappealing.

That sounds a step in the right direction.
jackbus01 is on the money, the things you describe also describe clinical depression. Have you ever talked to your counselor about those thoughts?



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09 Feb 2011, 11:29 am

nostromo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
jackbus01 wrote:
This reminds me of the many times in life where I have been severely depressed. Counseling can range from a waste of time to helpful. I agree with hyperbole that counseling is a two-way street, and it is work, that is you really have to "work through it".
Unfortunately if you can't see the purpose of ANYTHING anymore and EVERYTHING seems wrong and screwed-up and seems like you can't remember when it wasn't like that--that is clinical depression. The other thing I noticed from your posts is the fact that you say you can't function, seem detached, and seem to have this impending sense of doom--that is also clinical depression, especially when it is pervasive and long-lasting. This kind of depression is a biological problem.
If you are truly thinking and feeling this way then you need to be on some medication because your brain is not working right. I'm not saying that to be mean but I know the experience, I'm now 39 but I've struggled with severe depressions for about 22 years or so (obviously not all at once and yes I'm okay now) and my concern would be that if feel much worse you will have a hard time finding the energy to get some help. Taking medication won't fix your problems, but it will get your brain working better so you can work through your problems.

please see a doctor and consider getting on some medication and going from there, you don't want this to get worse.
I hope I have been helpful to you.


Well I have an appointment to try and get some sort of medical care and possibly food stamps on friday, but from what i hear that can be an on going process that takes months and lots of complicated paper work and such to get anywhere with it. As it stands now as much as I might need some sort of anti-depressant there is no way I could afford it....I use cannabis to help sometimes and it does provide relief but i know self medicating is not usually recommended but hey it makes me feel better as far as my mood goes and gets rid of the un-explainable physical pain that I guess from some research I did can be a sign of depression.

Then lately I feel like Im kind of rejecting most outside help.....not that I fully want to, But I feel like there is no other way. I find myself more sensative about personal space lately to.....so the idea of a bunch of smothering help and support is really unappealing.

That sounds a step in the right direction.
jackbus01 is on the money, the things you describe also describe clinical depression. Have you ever talked to your counselor about those thoughts?

I know I have clinical depression, and my counseler is aware to.....but he is so stuck on the idea of 'oh you can recover if you put your mind to it' or at least thats what it seems like. I don't feel like thats even possible its not a flaw in my thinking its clearly a chemical imbalance I mean I can't blame my entire outlook on life on depression.....but it certainly does make things I should enjoy much less enjoyable. I just really don't even see the point, no amount of 'talking about my problems' is going to improve them.



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09 Feb 2011, 11:37 am

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I know I have clinical depression, and my counseler is aware to.....but he is so stuck on the idea of 'oh you can recover if you put your mind to it' ...
I just really don't even see the point, no amount of 'talking about my problems' is going to improve them.

Same here. A problem shared might look like a problem cut in half, but now we actually only have two people with problems if/when at least one of them does not have a real and workable solution.


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09 Feb 2011, 2:09 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
jackbus01 wrote:
This reminds me of the many times in life where I have been severely depressed. Counseling can range from a waste of time to helpful. I agree with hyperbole that counseling is a two-way street, and it is work, that is you really have to "work through it".
Unfortunately if you can't see the purpose of ANYTHING anymore and EVERYTHING seems wrong and screwed-up and seems like you can't remember when it wasn't like that--that is clinical depression. The other thing I noticed from your posts is the fact that you say you can't function, seem detached, and seem to have this impending sense of doom--that is also clinical depression, especially when it is pervasive and long-lasting. This kind of depression is a biological problem.
If you are truly thinking and feeling this way then you need to be on some medication because your brain is not working right. I'm not saying that to be mean but I know the experience, I'm now 39 but I've struggled with severe depressions for about 22 years or so (obviously not all at once and yes I'm okay now) and my concern would be that if feel much worse you will have a hard time finding the energy to get some help. Taking medication won't fix your problems, but it will get your brain working better so you can work through your problems.

please see a doctor and consider getting on some medication and going from there, you don't want this to get worse.
I hope I have been helpful to you.


Well I have an appointment to try and get some sort of medical care and possibly food stamps on friday, but from what i hear that can be an on going process that takes months and lots of complicated paper work and such to get anywhere with it. As it stands now as much as I might need some sort of anti-depressant there is no way I could afford it....I use cannabis to help sometimes and it does provide relief but i know self medicating is not usually recommended but hey it makes me feel better as far as my mood goes and gets rid of the un-explainable physical pain that I guess from some research I did can be a sign of depression.

Then lately I feel like Im kind of rejecting most outside help.....not that I fully want to, But I feel like there is no other way. I find myself more sensative about personal space lately to.....so the idea of a bunch of smothering help and support is really unappealing.


It's sounding a bit like addiction here.

Because "No man is an island," what you do need is outside help.

Unfortunately, much of the outside help isn't very good. It can inadvertently make matters worse.



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09 Feb 2011, 11:45 pm

I quit my therapy because I don't have the confidence to deal with the attention I got from seeking help. I was told I really needed therapy but I couldn't feel any positive effects from it and I felt like a waste of their time.