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10 Oct 2011, 4:13 pm

At the latest Values Voters Summit, an evangelical pastor had stated that true evangelicals should never vote for a Mormon like Mit Romney. Are Mormons welcome anymore in the evangelical dominated Republican party? And if so, are they only supposed to provide votes for "acceptable" candidates, but stay away from running for office, themselves? Will Mormons just be added to the list of undesirable elements, along with the gays and Muslims by the Republican party?
To be sure, I'm not going to vote for Romney, regardless if he gets the Republican nomination, but that won't have anything to do with his religion. What is especially disturbing about this is, if Mormons can be singled out by a major element in a political party as undesirable to run for office, how safe are the rest of us?

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10 Oct 2011, 4:24 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
At the latest Values Voters Summit, an evangelical pastor had stated that true evangelicals should never vote for a Mormon like Mit Romney. Are Mormons welcome anymore in the evangelical dominated Republican party? And if so, are they only supposed to provide votes for "acceptable" candidates, but stay away from running for office, themselves? Will Mormons just be added to the list of undesirable elements, along with the gays and Muslims by the Republican party?
To be sure, I'm not going to vote for Romney, regardless if he gets the Republican nomination, but that won't have anything to do with his religion. What is especially disturbing about this is, if Mormons can be singled out by a major element in a political party as undesirable to run for office, how safe are the rest of us?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Are these people connected with Bailey Smith, who once had the gall to say in public that "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew"?

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10 Oct 2011, 4:26 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
At the latest Values Voters Summit, an evangelical pastor had stated that true evangelicals should never vote for a Mormon like Mit Romney. Are Mormons welcome anymore in the evangelical dominated Republican party? And if so, are they only supposed to provide votes for "acceptable" candidates, but stay away from running for office, themselves? Will Mormons just be added to the list of undesirable elements, along with the gays and Muslims by the Republican party?
To be sure, I'm not going to vote for Romney, regardless if he gets the Republican nomination, but that won't have anything to do with his religion. What is especially disturbing about this is, if Mormons can be singled out by a major element in a political party as undesirable to run for office, how safe are the rest of us?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Are these people connected with Bailey Smith, who once had the gall to say in public that "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew"?

ruveyn


Y'know, I don't know - though he and they doubtlessly are of the same exclusionary frame of mind.

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10 Oct 2011, 4:48 pm

I never really understood why Mormons are singled out. Their religion is as weird as any other is. For as conservative as they supposedly are, Romney and Huntsman are the too most moderate candidates running.



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10 Oct 2011, 5:00 pm

It seems like a bad strategy to me. Keep maligning whole groups of people until you have nobody left to vote for you?



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10 Oct 2011, 6:04 pm

Well I'm a Christian, and a conservative leaning libertarian one, and I've pretty much not been paying attention to politics at all anymore. I listened to enough Rush Limbaugh to figure the entire USA was going to explode and there was nothing I could do about it, so then I decided to start listening to eurobeat in the afternoon instead of AM talk radio.

But uh, as a Christian, I believe Mormons tend to be very moral people, not that I'm a huge fan of Mitt Romney. Same with Muslims, I believe they tend to be pretty cool as well. As far as not voting for him for his religious views, well, what about the early church? It's not like Christians had any participation in govt. at all back then, they were all strangers in a pagan land and had to deal with pagan officials. As long as they do not persecute Christians, and are otherwise capable of office, you agree with them, etc, I don't see what a politician's religious views really matter. I'd obviously like all politicians and everyone in the world to follow Jesus, but a lot of people aren't going to, and you have to work within the parameters of that and just pray for people.

As far as Mormons specifically, I'd be pretty OK with a Mormon in office. Muslims I'd be kind of concerned about depending on the circumstances, (ie, if the candidate had every/most cabinet member be Muslim also) as Islam tends to do things like implement Sharia law and stuff where it spreads. Mormonism at it's infancy did do some fighting with the government (ie, wanted a separate territory only for Mormons in Utah) but now they've gotten to be pretty chill, as the crazy part broke off into FLDS and the normal Latter Day Saints is pretty normal, despite what I as a Christian consider very odd beliefs.

but...

WHAT IF MITT ROMNEY WANTS TO MAKE THE USA WEAR SECRET MORMON UNDERWEAR?! DUN DUN DUN!! !! ! NEXT TIME ON ALEX JONES SHOW!

..it could be his insidious secret plot, you never know.



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10 Oct 2011, 6:08 pm

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Well I'm a Christian, and a conservative leaning libertarian one, and I've pretty much not been paying attention to politics at all anymore. I listened to enough Rush Limbaugh to figure the entire USA was going to explode and there was nothing I could do about it, so then I decided to start listening to eurobeat in the afternoon instead of AM talk radio.

But uh, as a Christian, I believe Mormons tend to be very moral people, not that I'm a huge fan of Mitt Romney. Same with Muslims, I believe they tend to be pretty cool as well. As far as not voting for him for his religious views, well, what about the early church? It's not like Christians had any participation in govt. at all back then, they were all strangers in a pagan land and had to deal with pagan officials. As long as they do not persecute Christians, and are otherwise capable of office, you agree with them, etc, I don't see what a politician's religious views really matter. I'd obviously like all politicians and everyone in the world to follow Jesus, but a lot of people aren't going to, and you have to work within the parameters of that and just pray for people.

As far as Mormons specifically, I'd be pretty OK with a Mormon in office. Muslims I'd be kind of concerned about depending on the circumstances, (ie, if the candidate had every/most cabinet member be Muslim also) as Islam tends to do things like implement Sharia law and stuff where it spreads. Mormonism at it's infancy did do some fighting with the government (ie, wanted a separate territory only for Mormons in Utah) but now they've gotten to be pretty chill, as the crazy part broke off into FLDS and the normal Latter Day Saints is pretty normal, despite what I as a Christian consider very odd beliefs.

but...

WHAT IF MITT ROMNEY WANTS TO MAKE THE USA WEAR SECRET MORMON UNDERWEAR?! DUN DUN DUN!! !! ! NEXT TIME ON ALEX JONES SHOW!

..it could be his insidious secret plot, you never know.


I can tell you with all certainty - Muslim Americans are not going to institute Shariah law. That's just a bogeyman stirred up by your friend Limbaugh, and company.

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10 Oct 2011, 6:15 pm

I'll vote for the persons that I think will run this country better than anyone else, and if they all happen to be Islamo-Fascist-Psycho-Transhumanists, then so be it.

Mormons? PFFT! What's the worst they could do, make us all wear clean underwear?

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10 Oct 2011, 6:16 pm

I haven't decided if I'd vote for a Mormon or not. I have a ex-Mormon friend that could ask about that sometime.


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10 Oct 2011, 6:22 pm

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I haven't decided if I'd vote for a Mormon or not. I have a ex-Mormon friend that could ask about that sometime.


Let me guess - you'd be right at home with the last Values Voters Summit.
Any other religion or group on your blacklist?

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10 Oct 2011, 6:43 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
I haven't decided if I'd vote for a Mormon or not. I have a ex-Mormon friend that could ask about that sometime.


Let me guess - you'd be right at home with the last Values Voters Summit.
Any other religion or group on your blacklist?

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I haven't payed attention to the Values Voters so I don't know.


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10 Oct 2011, 6:48 pm

WTF is a Values Voters Summit?
No, don't answer because I really could care less.
I have no reason not to vote for a Mormon based solely on said candidate being of the Mormon faith.



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10 Oct 2011, 11:51 pm

Nein my friend thats all I will say.



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11 Oct 2011, 1:43 am

I think it's perfectly fine.

If they think they can do it alone, then kill off the party of lincoln, and set America back a century.

I think mormonism is false and not Christian and think marriage should only be between a man and a women and think abortion should be illegal unless the mother will die from childbirth, but I would gladly vote for a pagan, mormon, atheist, hindu, or democrat who shares a sizable amount of my values, especially my core values.


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11 Oct 2011, 4:22 am

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I think it's perfectly fine.

If they think they can do it alone, then kill off the party of lincoln, and set America back a century.

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Abraham Lincoln was a premature national socialist. He believed that the government should do for people what they cannot do for themselves. He also had a slight problem with the writ of habeas corpus.

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11 Oct 2011, 8:05 am

If Mitt Romney wins the Republican nomination, then many Evango-Fascists will probably stay away from the polls rather than face the option of voting for either a Mormon or a *gasp* Moslem.