Do you agree that Asperger's is basically delayed maturity?

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Do you agree that Asperger's is basically delayed maturity?
Yes, aside from personality differences, we're all developmentally delayed at about the same rate? 13%  13%  [ 2 ]
Yes, but we're all delayed at different rates 88%  88%  [ 14 ]
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muslimmetalhead
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30 Sep 2012, 7:02 pm

I mean, aside from sensory issues, maybe bad motor skills, and intense interests, the main issue I feel is lack of emotional maturity/mental acuity.

By emotional immaturity, I don't mean controlling your emotions, I mean feeling /mentally organized/responsible for yourself, understanding how people work, CONFIDENCE, all the things, in other words, associated with adult independence.
Not to say that we are children, but just that we have delays in acquiring this maturity.

I feel about ~2 years behind, and I feel that many other Aspies I know personally in my age group fit the bill. Though obviously someone who acts 14 when they're 16 wouldn't act 36 when they're 38 as there aren't really milestones at that age, they'd be more like a twentysomething or whatever.
Example:me,10th grade. Worried about "being normal", when is it okay to be open and childish with others, not responsible for myself, complaining.
Others, 10th grade. Coming of age,responsibility/independence, being dignified and respectful to others, seriously considering life purpose.

It's not just socializing. It's how we "feel", if you get me.



EDIT: @1000 Knives

I put in a "no were just different" option, but it wouldn't let me.

IDK man.


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30 Sep 2012, 7:06 pm

I agree with you in the sense that, at 50, I should be ready to greet my grandkids already! Since I've never gotten married, had kids, had a house in the suburbs, and never bought stocks or a new car, I may as well be like a 12 year old just dealing with the world. As it is, right now I am jobless and carless, so I'm really behind.



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30 Sep 2012, 7:08 pm

I disagree. I've had many people tell me I was much more mature than other people my age.

And your poll doesn't have a "No." option.



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30 Sep 2012, 7:21 pm

Besides their head, torso, pelvis, and arms, a human being is basically just a pair of legs.

Asperger's syndrome is a syndrome precisely because it is more than just a social and emotional learning delay (the delayed maturity that you mention). A syndrome means that there are several components, not just one. The "three Rs", as I call them, are important: restricted interests, repetitive behaviors, rigid routine. And also peculiarities in communication: odd prosody (too loud, too soft, etc), too verbose, one-sided conversations, etc.

What you are doing is called "reductionism": reducing the whole to one of its parts.

For me, sensory sensitivity is very important, because I have misophonia (extreme sensitivity to eating and drinking sounds) and that can be as harmful to social interaction as my delayed social and emotional intelligence (yes, you are right that delayed maturity is a part of AS). But I wouldn't say that AS is "just" sensory sensitivity, even though that is prominent aspect for me. AS is the coincidence of several characteristics: social and emotional learning delay, peculiarities in communication, and the three Rs - and possibly sensory sensitivity, clumsiness, temporary mutism, and various other symptoms.

AS is a syndrome.



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30 Sep 2012, 7:40 pm

i don't agree. You might as well argue that the housing market and banking crises have decreased the average maturity of the country, because home ownership is associated with maturity.

And many disabilities slow people down in terms of material wealth independently of the person's personality characteristics. Come to think of it, many things slow down material progress,like being black in the deep south in the 1950.

The more I think about it the worse that measuring 'maturity' in terms of material success seems.

Just IMO.



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30 Sep 2012, 8:47 pm

absolutely not


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30 Sep 2012, 8:59 pm

Two answers to choose from and they are both "yes"?

What's the point?



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30 Sep 2012, 10:08 pm

redrobin62 wrote:
I agree with you in the sense that, at 50, I should be ready to greet my grandkids already! Since I've never gotten married, had kids, had a house in the suburbs, and never bought stocks or a new car, I may as well be like a 12 year old just dealing with the world. As it is, right now I am jobless and carless, so I'm really behind.
Ditto, except that I am 56YO



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30 Sep 2012, 10:26 pm

Agree with the OP. I've come to terms that I am pretty much a late bloomer in many aspects, but I have it in myself to keep going. So, I will never give up, despite the fact that sometimes that I want to.


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01 Oct 2012, 1:15 am

muslimmetalhead wrote:
I mean, aside from sensory issues, maybe bad motor skills, and intense interests, the main issue I feel is lack of emotional maturity/mental acuity.

By emotional immaturity, I don't mean controlling your emotions, I mean feeling /mentally organized/responsible for yourself, understanding how people work, CONFIDENCE, all the things, in other words, associated with adult independence.
Not to say that we are children, but just that we have delays in acquiring this maturity.

I feel about ~2 years behind, and I feel that many other Aspies I know personally in my age group fit the bill. Though obviously someone who acts 14 when they're 16 wouldn't act 36 when they're 38 as there aren't really milestones at that age, they'd be more like a twentysomething or whatever.
Example:me,10th grade. Worried about "being normal", when is it okay to be open and childish with others, not responsible for myself, complaining.
Others, 10th grade. Coming of age,responsibility/independence, being dignified and respectful to others, seriously considering life purpose.

It's not just socializing. It's how we "feel", if you get me.



EDIT: @1000 Knives

I put in a "no were just different" option, but it wouldn't let me.

IDK man.


The options to your poll are "yes" and "yes"....that in other words, it is biased in indicative that you don't wish to hear any other answer, yet I will provide one anyway. No. I do not feel that AS is basically delayed maturity. In fact I don't feel that AS has much to do with maturity one way or another. Some individuals with AS might be fairly immature, some might be rather mature. Growing up, I was usually considered more mature than most my age.



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01 Oct 2012, 1:42 am

Another "no" to the poll from me.
It suggested that the thread starter didn't want to accept any answer other than 'yes'.

You may as well do a poll like this:

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"It would be good if we could reduce or better manage the distressing impacts of our sensory issues?"
a) No. I want to be hypersensitive and suffer from distress.
b) No. That would make me more able to integrate into society and get more joy & pleasure from life, and we wouldn't want that would we?

Where is this one-sided poll supposed to lead us to anyway? I've created polls with 6 or more answers so I know it definitely would allow you to add a 3rd option.



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01 Oct 2012, 2:21 am

what is the point in making a poll if the only answer is I agree?


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01 Oct 2012, 4:32 am

Hey, here's a crazy idea: how about a "No" option in the bloody poll?

Or is this one of those "when was the last time you beat your wife?" type leading questions where you're looking for confirmation to your bias?

AS disorders can cause immaturity in interpersonal relationships due to the aversion to them that some develop, but in an of itself, it is not a sign of immaturity.


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01 Oct 2012, 8:38 am

Another bias poll.

I do agree AS is delayed maturity but there is more to AS than that. Even NTs can be delayed in maturity. Some don't even grow up finally until they are well into their thirties or late twenties and people are sometimes immature due to problems they have so it makes them delayed also. In ways we can be more mature than a none aspie. We can be immature in certain things but be very mature in other things.


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01 Oct 2012, 8:57 am

1000Knives wrote:
I disagree. I've had many people tell me I was much more mature than other people my age.

And your poll doesn't have a "No." option.


I'm with you.

I always thank I was a bit childish because my interests, but after meeting some self proclaimed "mature" people, I discovered I'm, in fact, very mature, and some of those acquaintances were very immature.

Maturity is not related to our interests but to the way we treat other people or how we react to a problem. This is what I think. A lot of adult people out there thinks that living a prosper "adult materialistic life", give them permission to teach you lessons about how to be a "mature adult", but they won't listen to you if you try to make them realize they are wrong on something. How is that mature?


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01 Oct 2012, 10:31 am

No. I would say that delayed maturity can be caused by Asperger's, but only if you mean maturity in the sense of social development (getting a job, significant other, independence from one's parents, etc.). However, some people with AS have very high moral maturity, intellectual maturity, or development of self, though there are also those who don't. I don't think it really has anything to do with maturity in most senses of the world, but I guess it can delay social development. However, it's certainly not the main part of it.