Pleiadians/Plejarans?
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Before I go into this I'll put on my welding mask just so I don't get my face bruised by the rotten tomatoes - I know where I'm posting this.
I'm curious if anyone is researching this, just out of their own ontological curiosity. What I mean; the bible calls them 'watchers', the ufologists call them Nords, Billy Meier via his contacts with them calls them Pejarans (ie. a star technically behind the Pleiades) and would claim they're here to help us learn how to evolve without blowing ourselves up or polluting ourselves to death, Steve Quayle and David Flynn would call them all of the following - watchers, gods of antiquity (Sumeria, Egypt, Greece etc.) and of course fallen angels, Nephilim, powers and principalities, etc. etc.. - the light-bearers of the 2nd Thessalonian 'strong delusion'.
I just ordered something from Amazon which is a compilation of Billy Meier's Pleiadian messages (forgot the author) in that it took the whole thing in extract - mainly that I want to see what's coming out of this. I'd love to know a bit more about how accurate/innacurate the Henock Prophecies really are and as well as try to make up my own mind on who's closer to the truth on this - Billy Meier or the Watchers/Fallen Angels/Nephilim crowd. Its an important question to answer - for me at least - because it says a lot about what's potentially happening and where we're going.
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Oh yeah. I forgot.
Twenty years ago Shirley McClaine told us that we not only have to believe in UFO's we have to believe in her theory about where specifically they come from: the Pleides star cluster.
Which bunch is 'closer to truth?': the Pleidian believing crowd, or the Nephilim crowd?
Isnt that like asking "which is more fun? Being thrown off of a cliff, or being buried alive?"
Not much of choice you're offering us, is it?
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I'll open it this way - *something* is culturally going on here.
I don't mind anyone saying these beings don't exist, just that I'd love them to elaborate something intelligent rather than giving a trite knee-jerk drive by or one-liner.
I've been forced in so many ways to accept that some flanks so to speak of what we'd call supernatural narratives (for the lack of a better term) are real, its just figuring out which, who's credible, who isn't, who's saying what and whether I can fact-check it to my satisfaction.
Part of the problem is I look around YouTube and find little more about Bill Meier's prophecies than one guy - ie. Michael Horn. I'd also love to know if anyone has examined the so-called 'Talmud of Jmmanuel' and had a chance to academically carbon date it. I'd also love to know if anyone else has a secured copy of Bill Meier's prophecies - which are supposed to be even more accurate than Edgar Cayce's, a copy that hasn't been altered since the early 1980's to see if any of that info is accurate.
I'll admit - its not impossible that anything we hear about Pleiadians/Pejarans these days isn't just ripped off and inspired from the Billy Meier case and tweaked by different people for their own purposes. The eerie thing about it though is you have really strange congruencies across people who shouldn't want to be aiding each other's agendas, like Pleiaidan channelings that would technically drop tons of huge gleaming gems in the laps of the Nephilim/fallen angel people.
Its not impossible that Billy Meier is a 20th century Edward Kelly, in watching the one biographical video right now he seems like the type of guy - a bit like Edward Kelly or even Aleister Crowley - that one would have called an adventurer/huckster/charlatan but that's where I'd love to see more about these so-called Henock prophecies would be immensely helpful - ie. I'd have something I could falsify that much quicker.
Back to the first line though - if you've got an in-depth debunk its quite welcome, ie. I'll take any tools I can use
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Mike Horn chatter is at least a little more passive here, albeit not in the beginning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixd4HKoCHXk
I have, and it was a thorough waste of time, money, and effort - it's all fantasy, myth, and lies made to sell books and movies.
You'd be better off spending your money on obtaining a real education in engineering, maths, medicine, or science.
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I already have it so I suppose I can spare the luxury.
I will say though, the video above just gets darker as it progresses - I'd love to think you're right, its just tough to be that optimistic with everything else I've weighed it against. Some possibility that we'll all be cast in a global reality cross between HG Wells and Rob Zombie's House of 1,000 Corpses. Even if these things turn out to be benevolent we've got some excruciatingly weird times ahead.
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What's absolutely mind-bending, watching the last half hour I'm watching this fall right in a row with new age and right in a row with book of Revelations from the Enochian perspective. I've seen the last two scenarios - ie. new age ascension and biblical great deception and tribulation (of the Chapter 20 variety though) do a very tightly woven dance where all the possibilities look like they're right in a line for both to be different stakeholders in the same event. This video adds another dance partner moving in fluid and nearly flawless motion with the last.
The whole 'petrus romanus' thing makes it all the more interesting. Supposedly the 'restrainer's hand is removed, and when its removed the watchers can do a bit more than just watch or make trips in token numbers. So....... it'll be incredibly relevent I think, what happens come March when we have a new pope, when we get to see what he does or doesn't do, and if in the next ten or twenty years of him being pope if nothing comes to fruition, or if there is no such 'alien contact' as the Vatican seems to be prepping for, then we can start thinking there's some possibility that they might be right in what they're saying.
What sucks about the book of Revelation is its very difficult to pin-down which agents will be involved in the final deception - ie. who it will be the force. Some are convinced it'll be an Islamic caliphate, some are convinced it'll be China and Russia, some are convinced that it will be that new age sci-fi channel advent of a several mile across disc or Mt. Olympus over every major city like Independence Day where the gods of antiquity and 'men of renown' come back to talk to us about Mars as well as how they created us; if the message is clear in the back part of this video we at least get to see a few points added to Steve Quayle's tally. The Talmud of Jmmanuel also seems to be incredibly dubious - ie. it likely is a heretical text from biblical times....but....something new exactly what he needed and where it was. I can't prove that but I'd call that a likely point-in-waiting also in Steve Quayle's benefit.
I don't mind anyone saying these beings don't exist, just that I'd love them to elaborate something intelligent rather than giving a trite knee-jerk drive by or one-liner.
I've been forced in so many ways to accept that some flanks so to speak of what we'd call supernatural narratives (for the lack of a better term) are real, its just figuring out which, who's credible, who isn't, who's saying what and whether I can fact-check it to my satisfaction.
Part of the problem is I look around YouTube and find little more about Bill Meier's prophecies than one guy - ie. Michael Horn. I'd also love to know if anyone has examined the so-called 'Talmud of Jmmanuel' and had a chance to academically carbon date it. I'd also love to know if anyone else has a secured copy of Bill Meier's prophecies - which are supposed to be even more accurate than Edgar Cayce's, a copy that hasn't been altered since the early 1980's to see if any of that info is accurate.
I'll admit - its not impossible that anything we hear about Pleiadians/Pejarans these days isn't just ripped off and inspired from the Billy Meier case and tweaked by different people for their own purposes. The eerie thing about it though is you have really strange congruencies across people who shouldn't want to be aiding each other's agendas, like Pleiaidan channelings that would technically drop tons of huge gleaming gems in the laps of the Nephilim/fallen angel people.
Its not impossible that Billy Meier is a 20th century Edward Kelly, in watching the one biographical video right now he seems like the type of guy - a bit like Edward Kelly or even Aleister Crowley - that one would have called an adventurer/huckster/charlatan but that's where I'd love to see more about these so-called Henock prophecies would be immensely helpful - ie. I'd have something I could falsify that much quicker.
Back to the first line though - if you've got an in-depth debunk its quite welcome, ie. I'll take any tools I can use
i didnt pin the sign that said 'kick me" on your ass!
You did that to yourself.
The right to be heard does not include the right to be taken seriously.
Dont complain about ridicule when you say things that are ridiculous.
I dont have the burdon of proving(nor 'debunking') anything. I dont have to prove that 'these things dont exist"- it is you who have to- atleast show us why we should even be open the possibility that 'these things exist". You make absolutely no attempt to do that.
you're worried about which group of deluded nutjobs is "closer to the truth" than the other! When did either proximate any kind of 'truth'?
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You did that to yourself.
Maybe not, but it looks like you're somehow pinning a whine or complaint on my part - shame, I did no such thing.
I'm confused. Never said you had any obligation to debunk anything.
The problem with trying to convince anyone that these things exist is I'd have to convince people that two or three things in front of it exist (which they either believe or don't) - ie. this topic is already in too deep for that to get us anywhere. The best I can offer people who think its pure bunk is don't lose sleep over it, just move on.
I won't say anything against your right to post, just that by this sentiment this probably wouldn't be your kind of thread. If you feel like this thread is a waste of time but keep posting anyway I'm afraid I can't be held accountable for your actions - that would be your department.
Back to the first line though - if you've got an in-depth debunk its quite welcome, ie. I'll take any tools I can use
Excuse me! What is this line?
A demand that I debunk you!
Is it not?
Since you present no evidence for what you're claiming- there is nothing to 'debunk' anyway.
Youve dubunked yourself by admitting you have no evidence.
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Back to the first line though - if you've got an in-depth debunk its quite welcome, ie. I'll take any tools I can use
Excuse me! What is this line?
A demand that I debunk you!
Is it not?
I think your confusion is jumping on this and thinking that I'm out to debate people or play games. I was offering that if anyone has anything in depth they might offer something that can help. This isn't a debate thread. I'm not demanding any kind of proof of anything from you.
My logic is this - anyone who already knows about this stuff and has/had a curiosity and investigated it to their liking who wants to talk particulars is more than welcome to do so. Anyone who doesn't fit that criteria is wasting their time. As for convincing anyone of anything or giving 'evidence' I'd much rather just deal with the precursor stuff (ie. all that other stuff that comes before it) in other threads.
If no one can relate to the topic it should really then just fall off the bottom of the page. This does make me wonder though if we should have a WP:PPR talk about special interest or somewhat esoteric threads where people can post things 'way out there' or very specialized in say politics and not get yelled at for trolling.
This forum just gets rather dry and boring when we've got less than a dozen small topics that we're usually discussing. If there's some unwritten rule though stating that its all we're allowed to discuss - I'd personally like to break it for the sake of allowing a fair amount more variety.
On another note though I do just have one request: if you're going to reply to this can you at least drop the pretense that I'm trying to wrangle some kind of pissing contest out of you?
Thx,
Tech
The King James version of the bible excludes the most important book of them all, the Book of Enoch. The Annunaki were the 1/3 Angels who chose to descent to Earth and have lusty sex with the Earth women. This was a big no no because they birthed Nephilem, the Titans. These Nephilem were evil they fcked everything up and started wars just for fun. Then Jahova decided to flood the Earth destroying the Nephilem race and civilization. But the bloodline still survives to this day, for more information look up Brotherhood of the serpent, the Rothschilds and the Bahvarian Illuminati.
I'm curious if anyone is researching this, just out of their own ontological curiosity. What I mean; the bible calls them 'watchers', the ufologists call them Nords, Billy Meier via his contacts with them calls them Pejarans (ie. a star technically behind the Pleiades) and would claim they're here to help us learn how to evolve without blowing ourselves up or polluting ourselves to death, Steve Quayle and David Flynn would call them all of the following - watchers, gods of antiquity (Sumeria, Egypt, Greece etc.) and of course fallen angels, Nephilim, powers and principalities, etc. etc.. - the light-bearers of the 2nd Thessalonian 'strong delusion'.
I just ordered something from Amazon which is a compilation of Billy Meier's Pleiadian messages (forgot the author) in that it took the whole thing in extract - mainly that I want to see what's coming out of this. I'd love to know a bit more about how accurate/innacurate the Henock Prophecies really are and as well as try to make up my own mind on who's closer to the truth on this - Billy Meier or the Watchers/Fallen Angels/Nephilim crowd. Its an important question to answer - for me at least - because it says a lot about what's potentially happening and where we're going.
Mankind has always sought Guardian Angels and Fairy God-Mothers.
ruveyn
Okay.
So we will all just sweep it under the rug and pretend you didnt in effect ask me to 'put up or shut up" ( in more polite terms ill grant you-but that was the idea), and pretend that you never said that.
Lol!
Im more interested in hearing your respond to Yuugirl's question anyway.
Why DO you believe this stuff?
