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28 Feb 2013, 5:16 pm

I am a 20 something year old female who cannot seem to maintain any functional long-term relationships (sexual and/or non-sexual). I rely very heavily on my sex-appeal to make "friends". The "friends" I have currently are predominantly men (surprise, surprise) that I sleep with, have slept with, or that have some sort of vested interest in me sexually. I would really like to be able to have friends who I am not involved with sexually, but I am just clueless. I do not have any female friends, and when I am around women I am very, very uncomfortable. Historically, when I have made attempts to reach out to other women, I have very quickly been shut down. The only female friends I have had were equally damaged if not more damaged than myself (one was a con-artist), and even that is a rarity. I guess I take what I can get. It feels like my attempts to "reach out" to others socially is an honest one, even if I often find myself resorting to sex in a desperate attempt to make a connection with another person. I am sure I come off as a "crazy whore" to most who have been intimate with me. The realization that I actually do not have any "friends", and that I may not ever be able to form meaningful relationships is agonizing. I am very lonely, always have been, and it seems that no matter what I do, my interactions with people always leave me feeling unfulfilled and ultimately alienated. Isolating myself is sometimes the easiest course of action, not because I like being alone, but because it is, well, simply less painful. Sometimes being around people only makes me feel more alone. I remember growing up and having lots of cats.. Cuddling them...being present with them...it just never felt like enough. I distinctly remember wanting to "absorb" them. Maybe then I wouldn't feel this way. Even here, I don't entirely feel like I "belong". :roll: I really do feel like I am on the wrong planet.



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28 Feb 2013, 5:27 pm

I wish I could give you a big hug, but Iam on the other side of the Ocean.



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28 Feb 2013, 5:29 pm

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I wish I could give you a big hug, but Iam on the other side of the Ocean.


That's probably a good thing, Nambo. I have been told that I am a terrible hugger.
(I appreciate the gesture though)

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28 Feb 2013, 5:34 pm

I realised that I don't really have any women that are pure platonic friends. I guess I am only interested in them if they attract me by either their appearance or sometimes their great personality but usually in a combination of their voice that I find comforting. I tried making friends with different women and just pure friendship. But I would always find fault, like their voice is irritating me or what they say irritates me. I don't know what to say or why I am evening commenting on this thread. I do have a friend at work, that isn't scared when listening to me. He says, he is used to dark humour and finds me entertaining sometimes. I usually ask a billion questions and he didn't seem to mind. I liked bouncing stuff of him. I tried doing it here, but it failed miserably. I just got basically told how I shouldn't be. My mother can't make any friends either, she always whines in my ears about it. I guess male friends will have to do for now until you can figure out how much lying you need to do to fit in. It is so difficult in public to approach people and say, hi, do you want to be my friend. That's sure as hell not going to work. Have you tried joining activity meetings, e.g. meetup.com type with similar interests? I'm not sure if I am making a friend who is a woman friend, or if she is interested in me. I really don't know what's going on 99% of the time.



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28 Feb 2013, 5:40 pm

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I am a 20 something year old female who cannot seem to maintain any functional long-term relationships (sexual and/or non-sexual). I rely very heavily on my sex-appeal to make "friends". The "friends" I have currently are predominantly men (surprise, surprise) that I sleep with, have slept with, or that have some sort of vested interest in me sexually. I would really like to be able to have friends who I am not involved with sexually, but I am just clueless. I do not have any female friends, and when I am around women I am very, very uncomfortable. Historically, when I have made attempts to reach out to other women, I have very quickly been shut down. The only female friends I have had were equally damaged if not more damaged than myself, and even that is a rarity. I guess I take what I can get. It feels like my attempts to "reach out" to others socially is an honest one, even if I often find myself resorting to sex in a desperate attempt to make a connection with another person. I am sure I come off as a "crazy whore" to most who have been intimate with me. The realization that I actually do not have any "friends", and that I may not ever be able to form meaningful relationships is agonizing. I am very lonely, always have been, and it seems that no matter what I do, my interactions with people always leave me feeling unfulfilled and ultimately alienated. Isolating myself is sometimes the easiest course of action, not because I like being alone, but because it is, well, simply less painful. Sometimes being around people only makes me feel more alone. I remember growing up and having lots of cats.. Cuddling them...being present with them...it just never felt like enough. I distinctly remember wanting to "absorb" them. Maybe then I wouldn't feel this way. Even here, I don't entirely feel like I "belong". :roll: I really do feel like I am on the wrong planet.


Amazing. We're like twins. I wish I had greater sex appeal, rather than simply a moderate amount.

Your social skills may not be bad, or they may be. I don't know. I think forming relationships is all about forming common ground with another person, and even bad social skills are not necessarily a barrier to this. I know some hardcore aspie social ret*ds with many friends, simply because they've found a place to fit, perhaps in a "nerd" crowd.

However, NT's may have an easier time (aside from social skills) of finding common ground with others. NT's are more likely to be in touch with pop culture and fashion trends, for example. I don't know much about NT TV shows or pop culture, or sports for that matter; these are things that NTs bond over.

Now, find an aspie who is NOT a nerd, maybe develops good social skills. Now assume you have narrow interests that do not align with typical "nerd" interests. This is especially acute if you have severe NVLD like I do. I can't play video games to save my life. I don't have special talents either. NVLD has limited my ability to develop "active" hobbies.

So who exactly is one in this position supposed to befriend, regardless of social skills?

My solution has been to develop some active hobbies. But i've only been at this for a month. I can say that I did end up getting invited to someone's party through one of my new hobbies, and I've only been at it for a few weeks.

Maybe follow sports, too, but it's so painful, and I'm just not interested in anything aside from baseball and UFC.

EDIT: I would love to be friends with a female con artist.



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28 Feb 2013, 5:57 pm

ypestisflea wrote:

That's probably a good thing, Nambo. I have been told that I am a terrible hugger.
(I appreciate the gesture though)

:lol:


Yeah, and me, people say hugging me feels like hugging a plank of wood.

Regarding the topic, and I will probably get told off my a Mod for generalising, but I dont think even NT Women are that big on friendships with each other, I think they hang around together when young until they find their man, then drop their friends like a sack of hot potatoes.

I know loads of women, some for a very long time, and it always strikes me how they never have friends, this is mainly from a selfish observation as I hoped they would introduce me to their single friends, but they never have any.

Men on the other hand, Ive got friends still from the 1960s and 70s, women come and go but us muckers stick together.



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28 Feb 2013, 6:03 pm

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EDIT: I would love to be friends with a female con artist.


(responded to most of your response in PM.)
Regarding the con artist...well, she wasn't exactly the kind you might be envisioning. You'll have to take my word for it that she made for really unpleasant company.. :?
I'm still puzzled as to how I tolerated it for so long.



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28 Feb 2013, 6:06 pm

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Yeah, and me, people say hugging me feels like hugging a plank of wood.

Regarding the topic, and I will probably get told off my a Mod for generalising, but I dont think even NT Women are that big on friendships with each other, I think they hang around together when young until they find their man, then drop their friends like a sack of hot potatoes.

I know loads of women, some for a very long time, and it always strikes me how they never have friends, this is mainly from a selfish observation as I hoped they would introduce me to their single friends, but they never have any.

Men on the other hand, Ive got friends still from the 1960s and 70s, women come and go but us muckers stick together.


Hah, yes. I have been told this before as well. I don't really embrace.
I really wouldn't know what the NT woman is like, so I don't really have an opinion. Women for the most part are a mystery to me. :(



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28 Feb 2013, 7:28 pm

I used to have issues making friends when I was younger but it's pretty easy for me now. When I first moved to LA, it seemed slightly more difficult to make friends (I totally understand where you're coming from actually), but I began growing a circle of friends after I met just a few of the right people.

I think, at least based on my time here,, asperger's aside, Los Angeles is sort of a lonely city in general. And connecting in any way, even if it doesn't feel entirely right can seem more appealing than spending a lot of time alone. Sometimes you wonder if everyone you know just wants something from you. You've gotta find the right people though and you won't have that worry about that with them.

I personally think that maybe you just need to get a different group of friends; people who you can connect with on a deeper level; they do exist.

Have you lived here your entire life?


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28 Feb 2013, 7:48 pm

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I used to have issues making friends when I was younger but it's pretty easy for me now. When I first moved to LA, it seemed slightly more difficult to make friends (I totally understand where you're coming from actually), but I began growing a circle of friends after I met just a few of the right people.

I think, at least based on my time here,, asperger's aside, Los Angeles is sort of a lonely city in general. And connecting in any way, even if it doesn't feel entirely right can seem more appealing than spending a lot of time alone. Sometimes you wonder if everyone you know just wants something from you. You've gotta find the right people though and you won't have that worry about that with them.

I personally think that maybe you just need to get a different group of friends; people who you can connect with on a deeper level; they do exist.

Have you lived here your entire life?


Ah. Me too. I never had many friends growing up. I was always that one weird kid (I certainly felt that way) and ended up making an excellent verbal punching bag for my peers in school. And yes, I have always lived here...for the most part, at least. About one year ago I took a leap of faith, packed my bags, and hastily moved up north to Oakland. I lasted two months before rushing back home, leaving all of my furniture behind as I jumped on the Amtrak with my suitcase in hand. Needless to say, it didn't work out. Other than that brief stay in Oakland, I haven't lived anywhere outside of Los Angeles County.



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28 Feb 2013, 8:46 pm

I moved out there for a job that disappeared and thought why stay out there way too expensive. Pervy passes dfrom other men. Just whack.



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28 Feb 2013, 9:07 pm

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alex wrote:
I used to have issues making friends when I was younger but it's pretty easy for me now. When I first moved to LA, it seemed slightly more difficult to make friends (I totally understand where you're coming from actually), but I began growing a circle of friends after I met just a few of the right people.

I think, at least based on my time here,, asperger's aside, Los Angeles is sort of a lonely city in general. And connecting in any way, even if it doesn't feel entirely right can seem more appealing than spending a lot of time alone. Sometimes you wonder if everyone you know just wants something from you. You've gotta find the right people though and you won't have that worry about that with them.

I personally think that maybe you just need to get a different group of friends; people who you can connect with on a deeper level; they do exist.

Have you lived here your entire life?


Ah. Me too. I never had many friends growing up. I was always that one weird kid (I certainly felt that way) and ended up making an excellent verbal punching bag for my peers in school. And yes, I have always lived here...for the most part, at least. About one year ago I took a leap of faith, packed my bags, and hastily moved up north to Oakland. I lasted two months before rushing back home, leaving all of my furniture behind as I jumped on the Amtrak with my suitcase in hand. Needless to say, it didn't work out. Other than that brief stay in Oakland, I haven't lived anywhere outside of Los Angeles County.


You should move to Austin. All the young women I know here, Asperger's or not, just love it, and people are much friendlier than in California where I'm originally from. Not to mention, it's easier to find a job here.



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01 Mar 2013, 7:40 pm

Wow, I can relate to you so freaking much. I used to have a lot of sexual partners myself because I loved the attention they gave me, until I met an amazing guy who loves me and truly appreciates me: and I realized I was worth more than that...and I know you are worth more than that. Even if these guys are nice to you, they are only connecting with you because you are giving them something that many women can give them...you need to be around people who like you for you.

You will need to step out of your comfort zone just a little if you want to be happy with yourself. Stop looking for respect and friendship through these men who clearly just use you for sex. When I was sleeping around, I considered these men my friends, but the only reason they were was because I had sex with them. That is not friendship, that is someone taking advantage of you. Just because it's fun for the moment but it isn't worth it in the long run...it is likely what is making you feel damaged and inadequate. Start looking for friends in other places such as work or school: and even start with platonic friendships with men if that's who you feel more comfortable with.


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04 Mar 2013, 8:27 am

ypestisflea wrote:
I am a 20 something year old female who cannot seem to maintain any functional long-term relationships (sexual and/or non-sexual). I rely very heavily on my sex-appeal to make "friends". The "friends" I have currently are predominantly men (surprise, surprise) that I sleep with, have slept with, or that have some sort of vested interest in me sexually. I would really like to be able to have friends who I am not involved with sexually, but I am just clueless. I do not have any female friends, and when I am around women I am very, very uncomfortable. Historically, when I have made attempts to reach out to other women, I have very quickly been shut down. The only female friends I have had were equally damaged if not more damaged than myself (one was a con-artist), and even that is a rarity. I guess I take what I can get. It feels like my attempts to "reach out" to others socially is an honest one, even if I often find myself resorting to sex in a desperate attempt to make a connection with another person. I am sure I come off as a "crazy whore" to most who have been intimate with me. The realization that I actually do not have any "friends", and that I may not ever be able to form meaningful relationships is agonizing. I am very lonely, always have been, and it seems that no matter what I do, my interactions with people always leave me feeling unfulfilled and ultimately alienated. Isolating myself is sometimes the easiest course of action, not because I like being alone, but because it is, well, simply less painful. Sometimes being around people only makes me feel more alone. I remember growing up and having lots of cats.. Cuddling them...being present with them...it just never felt like enough. I distinctly remember wanting to "absorb" them. Maybe then I wouldn't feel this way. Even here, I don't entirely feel like I "belong". :roll: I really do feel like I am on the wrong planet.


This is what I have found in general to true.

It is very rare/difficult for a man to be just friends with a woman if they find them attractive. They may want to just be friends, but sooner or later they will want more then that.

If you want to avoid unwanted physical relationships its best to not develop a male friendship unless you also wish for a relationship with that person that could develop into something more. Its ok to maintain male aquaintences but you have to keep them at a obvious distance, and not see them individually, but only in group/work settings, etc.

Friends will usually come from the pool of people who are not attracted to you physically. There might be a few men like that (very few) and more likely women. These are people who are attracted to your personality and unique qualities, the person you really are. You have to use your perceptions to tell if someone is attracted to you physically or not. Once you sense that it is time to make a choice, to persue it or abruptly shift away from them. There is no real way to be nice about it, so just make it swift and decisive.

The usual ingredients for long term friendship, for me, has been a common interest to persue together and similiarity in personnal views. I found that being Aspie-odd was not the make-or-break aspect of getting along. It was having similiar feelings about life and its various positions (ie, liberal or conservative, religious or atheist, etc).

I am coming from a hetero perspective btw, but would think the same applies to all as far as being aware of someones attraction to you and how to manage it.



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If you want to avoid unwanted physical relationships its best to not develop a male friendship unless you also wish for a relationship with that person that could develop into something more. Its ok to maintain male aquaintences but you have to keep them at a obvious distance, and not see them individually, but only in group/work settings, etc.


This is not realistic advice for most people here. It's a very common aspie trait to be incapable of same-gender friendships altogether. For many people, it's a choice between having opposite-gender friends and having no friends.

I think picking people who are not sexually aggressive and/or are out of your league for friends is much better advice. Or, if you're a straight woman, then gay friends are probably perfect, or for a straight man, lesbians are perfect. My best friend for many years was lesbian.



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If you want to avoid unwanted physical relationships its best to not develop a male friendship unless you also wish for a relationship with that person that could develop into something more. Its ok to maintain male aquaintences but you have to keep them at a obvious distance, and not see them individually, but only in group/work settings, etc.


This is not realistic advice for most people here. It's a very common aspie trait to be incapable of same-gender friendships altogether. For many people, it's a choice between having opposite-gender friends and having no friends.

I think picking people who are not sexually aggressive and/or are out of your league for friends is much better advice. Or, if you're a straight woman, then gay friends are probably perfect, or for a straight man, lesbians are perfect. My best friend for many years was lesbian.


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I am coming from a hetero perspective btw, but would think the same applies to all as far as being aware of someones attraction to you and how to manage it.