How are Sex Change Operations Medically Ethical?
Now, I know a percentage of transgender individuals tend to be suicidal, but I cannot understand how a doctor can ethically preform such an operation when their is nothing physically wrong with the patient? Note, I am not bashing transgender. I Just want to know how a doctor can legally and ethically preform such an operation? I mean, if I were suicidal because I wanted to look like Felix the cat a doctor could not ethically preform such an operation just because I issue threats if my demands were not met.
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The point is that gender dysphoria, depending on the patient, can become so unbearable that the patient is at increased risk of suicide without the sexual reassignment. It therefore becomes in the better, longer term interests of the patient to have the operation than not to have it.
The only way you can understand is to imagine if tomorrow morning, you woke up in the body of the opposite gender but had all of your original pretenses about your gender role intact. How would you feel?
Your analogy surrounding a operation to become a cat does not stick and is disingenuous at best, because there is no recognised condition which causes this (GID is a medical condition, making 'threats' does not come into it) nor is there a sizable number of people to speak of that desire such an operation, at least not compared to those suffering severe gender identity dysphoria.
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Simply put, in severe, intractable adolescent/adult cases of gender dysphoria/gender identity disorder, sex reassignment is the only safe and effective solution to the condition, as the point was made in the recent Medicare decision.
For the severe and intractable cases, we simply have no other safe and effective solution to treat the condition.
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If someone came to their doctor, suffering from depression, and required anti-depressants without which they would otherwise be suicidal, no-one would accuse the patient of 'threatening' their doctor. Why in the case of transpeople, are they are suddenly the 'hysterical villain?'
No responsible, professional doctor worth their salt would belittle depression or autism for that case, and nor should any responsible doctor belittle GID.
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No responsible, professional doctor worth their salt would belittle depression or autism for that case, and nor should any responsible doctor belittle GID.
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As mentioned in the Medicare decision, long-term follow-up studies show good outcomes and little regret:
Here's some homework on what the research has said via the Medicare decision:
http://www.hhs.gov/dab/decisions/dabdec ... ab2576.pdf
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That is why people who get SRS are typically put through rigourous and extensive psychological analysis to ensure they are absolutely certain about their condition.
Surgeons don't perform SRS light heartedly. It is only recieved by people who are so burdened with their GID that it takes precedence over all other factors, including any reproductive ambitions.
Anyway, your point about being sterile or not being sterile could be rendered moot by other factors. What if you married someone who turned out to be sterile later on, or you already knew was sterile? A circumstance created by your own choice.
That is why people who get SRS are typically put through rigourous and extensive psychological analysis to ensure they are absolutely certain about their condition.
Surgeons don't perform SRS light heartedly. It is only recieved by people who are so burdened with their GID that it takes precedence over all other factors, including any reproductive ambitions.
Anyway, your point about being sterile or not being sterile could be rendered moot by other factors. What if you married someone who turned out to be sterile later on, or you already knew was sterile? A circumstance created by your own choice.
^ This. You don't just walk in and get it one day on a whim.
In fact, in America, many are unable to get it at all because of the cost and lack of insurance coverage for it, and it messes us up. Hopefully, the insurance industry follows Medicare in its recent coverage decision.
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For the severe and intractable cases, we simply have no other safe and effective solution to treat the condition.
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"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." - Marcus Aurelius
As mentioned in the Medicare decision, long-term follow-up studies show good outcomes and little regret:
Here's some homework on what the research has said via the Medicare decision:
http://www.hhs.gov/dab/decisions/dabdec ... ab2576.pdf
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"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." - Marcus Aurelius
For the severe and intractable cases, we simply have no other safe and effective solution to treat the condition.
You redacted my first paragraph, and ended up quoting me out of context.
Please go back and re-read the first paragraph of that post.
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"You have a responsibility to consider all sides of a problem and a responsibility to make a judgment and a responsibility to care for all involved." --Ian Danskin
As mentioned in the Medicare decision, long-term follow-up studies show good outcomes and little regret:
Here's some homework on what the research has said via the Medicare decision:
http://www.hhs.gov/dab/decisions/dabdec ... ab2576.pdf
But the underlying condition was treated in those cases, the condition being namely gender dysphoria/gender identity disorder. Refuse to provide safe and effective treatments and you run into several risks, such as the development of "debilitating depression," as quoted in that Medicare decision. However, simply treating the depression itself in those cases is not really sufficient, since the underlying condition has not been addressed.
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"You have a responsibility to consider all sides of a problem and a responsibility to make a judgment and a responsibility to care for all involved." --Ian Danskin
That is why people who get SRS are typically put through rigourous and extensive psychological analysis to ensure they are absolutely certain about their condition.
Surgeons don't perform SRS light heartedly. It is only recieved by people who are so burdened with their GID that it takes precedence over all other factors, including any reproductive ambitions.
Anyway, your point about being sterile or not being sterile could be rendered moot by other factors. What if you married someone who turned out to be sterile later on, or you already knew was sterile? A circumstance created by your own choice.
If the underlying condition which makes a person want to mutilate their body has not been treated how can you ethically say that the person is certain that they want the change when the condition is affecting their decision? Your assumption about the issue of being rendered sterile is not a logical thought process, nor does it coincide with any legal maxim.
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"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." - Marcus Aurelius
For the severe and intractable cases, we simply have no other safe and effective solution to treat the condition.
You redacted my first paragraph, and ended up quoting me out of context.
Please go back and re-read the first paragraph of that post.
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That is why people who get SRS are typically put through rigourous and extensive psychological analysis to ensure they are absolutely certain about their condition.
Surgeons don't perform SRS light heartedly. It is only recieved by people who are so burdened with their GID that it takes precedence over all other factors, including any reproductive ambitions.
Anyway, your point about being sterile or not being sterile could be rendered moot by other factors. What if you married someone who turned out to be sterile later on, or you already knew was sterile? A circumstance created by your own choice.
If the underlying condition which makes a person want to mutilate their body has not been treated how can you ethically say that the person is certain that they want the change when the condition is affecting their decision? Your assumption about the issue of being rendered sterile is not a logical thought process, nor does it coincide with any legal maxim.
That it is mutilation is your opinion. How do you deem it to be 'mutilation'? Its no more mutilation than cosmetic surgery or tumour removal.
GID is not an 'underlying condition' deemable no more an affliction than homosexuality or autism is.
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