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13 Nov 2014, 8:56 am

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CONCORD, N.C. ? A mother is calling for a teacher to be fired after the way she said her son was disciplined.

The mother told Channel 9 a teacher used hot sauce on her son to prevent him from touching his nose in class.

The accused teacher used to work at Weddington Hills Elementary in Concord but is now at another school.

The boy's mom is angry over what happened to her son and she wants more action taken.

"She took advantage of him, and she needs to be held accountable," Cindy Joseph said.

She calls the incident that happened earlier this month as outrageous behavior.

Her 11-year-old son DJ has autism and can't speak so while Joseph said he couldn't tell her about what happened in class on Oct. 7.

But the principal caught the teacher putting hot sauce on DJ.

"She was reported of putting hot sauce on DJ's fingers because he kept digging in his nose," Joseph said.

She didn?t believe it at first but the principal told her they found the bottle of hot sauce in the classroom.

"I don't think she should be allowed to be teaching period, with any kids, whether they have a disability or no disability and she should not be allowed to have a license," Joseph said.

School officials wouldn't talk about any specific incident but confirmed the teacher now works at Royal Oaks Elementary.

They also confirmed the teacher was suspended on Oct. 8 -- the day after the alleged incident.

Joseph is glad her son is OK but said the school district shouldn't take any more chances.

"I feel in my heart she doesn't need to teach period,? Joseph said. ?She needs to be held accountable for her actions."
Now, she wants to file abuse charges against the teacher.
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It's a bit old, but apparently it recently reached national news. Initially read about it in a thread on a news forum on another site. One person in that thread considers autistics to be a waste of space, and said this kid was little more than a vegetable since he was non-verbal.

Personally, I think it went a little too far. This wouldn't have been done to a NT student, so why do it to an autistic one?



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13 Nov 2014, 2:15 pm

Where do these teachers even come up with these strange/sick sort of 'discipline'? But yeah I think she should be fired and banned from teaching, perhaps if I can find the schools facebook page I can comment.


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13 Nov 2014, 4:01 pm

I hear hot sauce burns so did he teacher not know about this? I have heard stories about parents putting something sour on their kid's fingers to keep them from thumb sucking and I have heard stories about parents giving their kids hot sauce and some find it abuse and some don't and supposedly this was the parenting norm back in the days. I know nothing about this hot sauce. Perhaps the teacher thought this is what she was doing and thought if the boy had hot sauce on his hands, he wouldn't pick his nose. Yes hot saucing can be done to NT kids too so would the teacher still have done it if the kid were NT and wouldn't stop picking his nose?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotsaucing


I never had this method done to me as a child so it's alien to me.

After doing some reading on this "discipline" I read it can damage your nerves system because it stings and burns. I wonder how this stuff is even used for food if this is so toxic?


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13 Nov 2014, 5:45 pm

I have a feeling this teacher is a sadist, that is all I am saying.



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13 Nov 2014, 6:40 pm

League_Girl wrote:
I hear hot sauce burns so did he teacher not know about this? I have heard stories about parents putting something sour on their kid's fingers to keep them from thumb sucking and I have heard stories about parents giving their kids hot sauce and some find it abuse and some don't and supposedly this was the parenting norm back in the days. I know nothing about this hot sauce. Perhaps the teacher thought this is what she was doing and thought if the boy had hot sauce on his hands, he wouldn't pick his nose. Yes hot saucing can be done to NT kids too so would the teacher still have done it if the kid were NT and wouldn't stop picking his nose?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotsaucing


I never had this method done to me as a child so it's alien to me.

After doing some reading on this "discipline" I read it can damage your nerves system because it stings and burns. I wonder how this stuff is even used for food if this is so toxic?


Have you ever your nose come in contact with hot sauce....it is actually painful, and depending on how spicy it could be potentially damaging since the inside of the nose is quite sensitive. Also its not like just a quick pain, it is ongoing....and worse than when you bite into a hot pepper and your mouth burns.

Also though this is a disabled kid, not to mention I am assuming she did this too him in front of all the other kids, essentially singling him out which just increases ostracism in the classroom.


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13 Nov 2014, 10:42 pm

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I have a feeling this teacher is a sadist, that is all I am saying.


Makes sense. Some go into the profession in order to secure a supply of vulnerable targets for abuse.



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13 Nov 2014, 10:42 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I hear hot sauce burns so did he teacher not know about this? I have heard stories about parents putting something sour on their kid's fingers to keep them from thumb sucking and I have heard stories about parents giving their kids hot sauce and some find it abuse and some don't and supposedly this was the parenting norm back in the days. I know nothing about this hot sauce. Perhaps the teacher thought this is what she was doing and thought if the boy had hot sauce on his hands, he wouldn't pick his nose. Yes hot saucing can be done to NT kids too so would the teacher still have done it if the kid were NT and wouldn't stop picking his nose?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotsaucing


I never had this method done to me as a child so it's alien to me.

After doing some reading on this "discipline" I read it can damage your nerves system because it stings and burns. I wonder how this stuff is even used for food if this is so toxic?


Have you ever your nose come in contact with hot sauce....it is actually painful, and depending on how spicy it could be potentially damaging since the inside of the nose is quite sensitive. Also its not like just a quick pain, it is ongoing....and worse than when you bite into a hot pepper and your mouth burns.

Also though this is a disabled kid, not to mention I am assuming she did this too him in front of all the other kids, essentially singling him out which just increases ostracism in the classroom.


I would assume it attempt at behavioral modification. I am glad the mom is supporting the kid and not backing the teacher. It is disgusting that I even need to write the previous sentence.


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14 Nov 2014, 12:44 am

That sounds like something you'd do to your dog to mold it's behavior. Is that how autistics are seen by these people: as animals?


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14 Nov 2014, 12:45 am

That sounds like something you'd do to your dog to mold it's behavior. Is that how autistics are seen by these people: as animals?


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14 Nov 2014, 3:12 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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I hear hot sauce burns so did he teacher not know about this? I have heard stories about parents putting something sour on their kid's fingers to keep them from thumb sucking and I have heard stories about parents giving their kids hot sauce and some find it abuse and some don't and supposedly this was the parenting norm back in the days. I know nothing about this hot sauce. Perhaps the teacher thought this is what she was doing and thought if the boy had hot sauce on his hands, he wouldn't pick his nose. Yes hot saucing can be done to NT kids too so would the teacher still have done it if the kid were NT and wouldn't stop picking his nose?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotsaucing


I never had this method done to me as a child so it's alien to me.

After doing some reading on this "discipline" I read it can damage your nerves system because it stings and burns. I wonder how this stuff is even used for food if this is so toxic?


Have you ever your nose come in contact with hot sauce....it is actually painful, and depending on how spicy it could be potentially damaging since the inside of the nose is quite sensitive. Also its not like just a quick pain, it is ongoing....and worse than when you bite into a hot pepper and your mouth burns.

Also though this is a disabled kid, not to mention I am assuming she did this too him in front of all the other kids, essentially singling him out which just increases ostracism in the classroom.


I have never touched that stuff. I have seen it in stores and at home but never had any contact with it. Either the teacher was ignorant or she was trying to harm him. I knew nothing about this stuff until I decided to look it up and do some reading.


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14 Nov 2014, 3:13 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
That sounds like something you'd do to your dog to mold it's behavior. Is that how autistics are seen by these people: as animals?



Do you give a dog hot sauce?


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14 Nov 2014, 9:24 am

League_Girl wrote:
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That sounds like something you'd do to your dog to mold it's behavior. Is that how autistics are seen by these people: as animals?



Do you give a dog hot sauce?


Animal cruelty.

Using it on a child? I think you have to be deranged to do something like that.


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14 Nov 2014, 10:49 am

League_Girl wrote:
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That sounds like something you'd do to your dog to mold it's behavior. Is that how autistics are seen by these people: as animals?



Do you give a dog hot sauce?


No, but I recall my parents having to put stuff called Bitter Apple on one of our dog's while growing up, because she had developed a compulsive need to lick on particular spot on her paw till it became raw and bled. So the vet advised it's use, and cleared the problem up. The use of hot sauce on a child brought back memories of that. Again, a child with developmental delay is seen as less than human by using hot sauce the same way.


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14 Nov 2014, 10:57 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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That sounds like something you'd do to your dog to mold it's behavior. Is that how autistics are seen by these people: as animals?



Do you give a dog hot sauce?


No, but I recall my parents having to put stuff called Bitter Apple on one of our dog's while growing up, because she had developed a compulsive need to lick on particular spot on her paw till it became raw and bled. So the vet advised it's use, and cleared the problem up. The use of hot sauce on a child brought back memories of that. Again, a child with developmental delay is seen as less than human by using hot sauce the same way.


I just looked it up because I had never heard of it and I see it's something used on dogs. I can assume it's harmless? Nothing like hot sauce. Reminds me how some people will put something sour on their child's fingers to keep them from sucking their thumbs or biting their nails.


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14 Nov 2014, 2:24 pm

^^^
Nothing harmful, just a bitter taste. Hence the name "Bitter Apple."


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