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10 Feb 2015, 8:22 am

160 confirmed kills.But including unconfirmed,over 200.Death,death,death.Sickening.And he had no remorse.Got AWARDS AND MEDALS FOR UNNECESSARY DEATH.He showed no remorse.To be honest,america oversteps the bounds far too often.I looked into the real Chris Kyle by the way.He was killed by a damaged veteran.War is disgusting overall.Bring it if you agree or disagree.To those who could of had better lives if we never went over,RIP :skull:


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10 Feb 2015, 9:02 am

The horse is dead. You can stop beating it.


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10 Feb 2015, 12:53 pm

He's been upheld as three things by the popular american domain

1- A hero
2- A defender of the American people
3- The world's most lethal sniper

He is actually none of these three.


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10 Feb 2015, 12:54 pm

einsteinmyhero wrote:
160 confirmed kills.But including unconfirmed,over 200.Death,death,death.Sickening.And he had no remorse.Got AWARDS AND MEDALS FOR UNNECESSARY DEATH.He showed no remorse.To be honest,america oversteps the bounds far too often.I looked into the real Chris Kyle by the way.He was killed by a damaged veteran.War is disgusting overall.Bring it if you agree or disagree.To those who could of had better lives if we never went over,RIP :skull:


What's there to have remorse over??


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10 Feb 2015, 1:11 pm

thomas81 wrote:
He's been upheld as three things by the popular american domain

1- A hero

Yeah, I guess since he's not Karl Marx or Freddy Engels he's no hero in your book.

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2- A defender of the American people

If he takes out insurgent RPG gunners, enemy snipers, and machinegun crews firing on or setting up to fire on American patrols or convoys that kinda makes him a defender of American people.

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3- The world's most lethal sniper

Half right at best. He was the most lethal sniper of his time but not the most lethal in history.


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10 Feb 2015, 1:17 pm

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Yeah, I guess since he's not Karl Marx or Freddy Engels he's no hero in your book.

No, he isn't a hero because he wasn't furthering a honourable cause. Enabling the disposession of the Iraqi people to further the agenda of western oil companies isn't a heroic act.

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If he takes out insurgent RPG gunners, enemy snipers, and machinegun crews firing on or setting up to fire on American patrols or convoys that kinda makes him a defender of American people.

How many Iraqis attacked American soil? None. If the American army weren't in Iraq they wouldnt be getting attacked by Saddam's forces. The Americans were invaders. If anything, Saddam's republican guard and following indigenous resistance forces were defending the Iraqi people.

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Half right at best. He was the most lethal sniper of his time but not the most lethal in history.

Wrong again, A british royal marine sniper recently accrued 173 combat kills, beating Chris Kyle.

However the ministry of defence has a policy of not identifying its elite troops.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... niper.html

by the way, no, he's not a hero, either.


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10 Feb 2015, 1:43 pm

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Yeah, I guess since he's not Karl Marx or Freddy Engels he's no hero in your book.

No, he isn't a hero because he wasn't furthering a honourable cause. Enabling the disposession of the Iraqi people to further the agenda of western oil companies isn't a heroic act.

No, it's just not honourable to you. That doesnt make it any less honourable to the rest of the world that understands honor for what it is.

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If he takes out insurgent RPG gunners, enemy snipers, and machinegun crews firing on or setting up to fire on American patrols or convoys that kinda makes him a defender of American people.

How many Iraqis attacked American soil? None. If the American army weren't in Iraq they wouldnt be getting attacked by Saddam's forces. The Americans were invaders. If anything, Saddam's republican guard and following indigenous resistance forces were defending the Iraqi people.

Since we're stuck with the primary peacekeeping role for this planet (no one else is better suited for the task) there doesnt need to be an attack on US soil to warrant US (or allied) military intervention.

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Half right at best. He was the most lethal sniper of his time but not the most lethal in history.

Wrong again, A british royal marine sniper recently accrued 173 combat kills, beating Chris Kyle.

However the ministry of defence has a policy of not identifying its elite troops.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... niper.html

by the way, no, he's not a hero, either.

Depends on when the record was broken. If it was after Kyle's death then Kyle still stands as the most lethal sniper of his time.


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10 Feb 2015, 2:23 pm

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The horse is dead. You can stop beating it.



And in this case it's literally dead.


He was a soldier. A sniper. Shooting enemies dead was his job. He died much the way he lived. Whether he's a hero or a villain is a matter of personal opinion. Let it be.



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10 Feb 2015, 6:54 pm

I wouldn't call a sniper either a hero or a psychopath.

Just a reflection of a sick society.

Perhaps there are some snipers who are psychopaths. I didn't watch the movie though.



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10 Feb 2015, 6:56 pm

If you have a strong heart, read the comments. Absolutely disgusting some of them.



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10 Feb 2015, 6:59 pm

The man wasn't a hero, he killed as part of his job and seemingly took pleasure in it. He was a liar and tried to make himself larger than life, promoting yourself like that doesn't make you a hero or someone to be looked up to.



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10 Feb 2015, 7:11 pm

He was a good shot.


Really though, the average bomber pilot probably killed more people than he did, and probably slept better at night too.


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10 Feb 2015, 7:15 pm

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He was a good shot.


Really though, the average bomber pilot probably killed more people than he did, and probably slept better at night too.


I wonder how drone pilots sleep? They sit halfway across the world in some chair like they're playing some sick game of Call Of Duty bombing weddings and children's birthday parties then go home to their families and sleep in their own bed.



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10 Feb 2015, 8:08 pm

You'd have to understand the role of the military sniper. In a nutshell, it's about taking lives to save more lives. The average peacenik could never grasp that, simple as it is.

There will ALWAYS be conflict.


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10 Feb 2015, 9:02 pm

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I wonder how drone pilots sleep? They sit halfway across the world in some chair like they're playing some sick game of Call Of Duty bombing weddings and children's birthday parties then go home to their families and sleep in their own bed.


Yeah, generally speaking people are more detached from killing the more impersonal it is, so I imagine drone pilots probably don't have many regrets compared to infantry units or others that engage in close combat. I've always heard that sniping is intensely personal due to the up close view of the enemy through the scope, and in prior years it wasn't uncommon to attack foes during their "down" time, e.g. while they're bathing or using the bathroom, which I can't imagine feels particularly valorous.

Personally, I don't really judge soldiers for doing what soldiers do within the generally accepted rules of war, any more than I blame the weapons used by criminals for the crimes committed with them, I choose to place the responsibility squarely on the decision makers.


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10 Feb 2015, 9:25 pm

Dox47 wrote:
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I wonder how drone pilots sleep? They sit halfway across the world in some chair like they're playing some sick game of Call Of Duty bombing weddings and children's birthday parties then go home to their families and sleep in their own bed.


Yeah, generally speaking people are more detached from killing the more impersonal it is, so I imagine drone pilots probably don't have many regrets compared to infantry units or others that engage in close combat. I've always heard that sniping is intensely personal due to the up close view of the enemy through the scope, and in prior years it wasn't uncommon to attack foes during their "down" time, e.g. while they're bathing or using the bathroom, which I can't imagine feels particularly valorous.

Personally, I don't really judge soldiers for doing what soldiers do within the generally accepted rules of war, anyt more than I blame the weapons used by criminals for the crimes committed with them, I choose to place the responsibility squarely on the decision makers.


I agree about blaming the decision makers and I don't judge a soldier for doing their job which Kyle apparently did pretty w ell but rather who they were as a person. I don't feel Kyle was a particularly admirable in any sense, he basked in the glory of being a killer and made awful evil lies to make himself appear bigger.

With those drone pilots, I wonder how much sense of valor or glory they have? Perhaps it is so impersonal they don't think about it but I doubt too many besides the most jackboot worshipping weirdos(the type who would think that NSA agents are heros too)would think of what they're doing as heroic.