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04 Sep 2015, 2:01 am

Seriously, I think it's time to not just complain about autism speaks, but see if we can take legal action agains them and get them to stop violating whatever ethics they are violating. #MSSNG would probably be a good place to target them on, I did research on it and the entire project is dependant on legal grey area. If we ca idenity some of the people who got included in their database, they might be able to sue them. Or we could try to pass legilslation which will make A$ lose their non-profit status by trying to make it illegal for a non-profigic organization to claim to represent people who have no power in their board. Something.


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05 Sep 2015, 2:18 am

I think the nonprofit claiming to speak for us thing may be ALREADY illegal. But we have to prove they're speaking for us; they may backpedal and say they aren't, that they're just talking about "some" of us, "the ones that can't talk". As if the ones that can't talk can't think either and that everyone should be told they can't think. Makes me sick.



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10 Sep 2015, 6:54 am

I wish.

People give away their power because they believe they don't have any.

How is true is that of oppressed groups.

Until ASD people stop giving away the power they have, AS will continue to spread in its cancerous way disseminating even more malignant propaganda.

No-one is powerless.

Truth is not a numbers game.

We are not gagged, blindfolded, barred from protesting, silenced by law, mere passive subjects to their active plan for owning the narrative.

In a number of ways, our silence has colluded in increasing the dominance of their narrative.

The public construes our silence as consent and support for their malignant plans, statements and actions.

I don't think the time has come.

I think the time to act came some time ago - and no-one acted effectively.

I don't think it is too late to do so.

If you have truth on your side, and they have numbers, don't assume they will win. There are many famous instances, from recent and past history where truth prevailed despite the imbalances of power, money, numbers.

Truth spoken eloquently by dedicated and able leadership can start a ripple which becomes a wave which becomes a tide which grows to sweep entrenched ideas aside.

Who are those leaders? They are people with talent, willingness, purpose and focus who can speak truth with clarity and without fear of any opposition.

Perhaps those people will read this small script one day in the future, and say "OMG, I was that person - she was describing who I was yet to become".



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14 Sep 2015, 3:03 am

A summary link about the vileness that is Autism Speaks - for anyone not familiar with their methods and hate speech:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Autism_Speaks

In this next one, a mother speaks about the toxic effect Autism Speaks had on her after her child was diagnosed:

http://raisingrebelsouls.blogspot.co.nz ... peaks.html

There are some activist suggestions at the end of it.



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14 Sep 2015, 6:11 pm

It is possible that a class action based for deliberate misrepresentation by Autism Speaks by Suzanne Wright and others she has colluded with would have the strongest legal heft. Unlike many, I think it could be done and could succeed. Legally, and in terms of UN conventions and comments - this is the one where Autism Speaks is most vulnerable. There are many examples that can be validated as authentic by counsel who would argue the very serious impacts of spreading these toxic propaganist myths, and produce witnesses as to the effect of stigma, misrepresenation etc on the target victims.

We had a thread about the practicalities of this earlier this year, giving information about class actions and how to initiate these and arrange free legal representation (no win no fee).

A successful action would attract substantial damages to the all claimants who enrolled in the class of plaintiffs.

As in war, you target your enemies greatest weakness, rather than dwell at length on their greatest strength.
The side that does this most effectively usually wins. We are smart people too, some of us highly educated and possessing a very wide range of skills, degrees etc that would help in the planning stages.



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15 Sep 2015, 1:34 am

B19 wrote:
I wish.

People give away their power because they believe they don't have any.

How is true is that of oppressed groups.

Until ASD people stop giving away the power they have, AS will continue to spread in its cancerous way disseminating even more malignant propaganda.

No-one is powerless.

Truth is not a numbers game.

We are not gagged, blindfolded, barred from protesting, silenced by law, mere passive subjects to their active plan for owning the narrative.

In a number of ways, our silence has colluded in increasing the dominance of their narrative.

The public construes our silence as consent and support for their malignant plans, statements and actions.

I don't think the time has come.

I think the time to act came some time ago - and no-one acted effectively.

I don't think it is too late to do so.

If you have truth on your side, and they have numbers, don't assume they will win. There are many famous instances, from recent and past history where truth prevailed despite the imbalances of power, money, numbers.

Truth spoken eloquently by dedicated and able leadership can start a ripple which becomes a wave which becomes a tide which grows to sweep entrenched ideas aside.

Who are those leaders? They are people with talent, willingness, purpose and focus who can speak truth with clarity and without fear of any opposition.

Perhaps those people will read this small script one day in the future, and say "OMG, I was that person - she was describing who I was yet to become".


All things considered, we are at a serious disadvantage. I take the fact that we got as far as we have is evidence that we are RIGHT when it comes to civil rights. Not right on all things, but right on the things that really matter. As long as we stand for truth and justice we have power.


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16 Sep 2015, 7:33 pm

I have started to view Autism Speaks as a symptom rather than the cause of our problems.

Until governments and educational institutions around the world can provide the proper care, understanding, respect and accessibility to the Autistic community, parents of children with Autism will have to fight so that their children have access to basic human rights.

It is the fact that they are forced to fight every step of the way which creates so many problems for them, and by extension makes them feel so threatened when Autistic people say that Autism should be seen a difference - or natural variation of human neurology - rather than a disorder, because if that was the case it would be harder for them to convince, say, insurance companies that they need help getting treatment for their children such as speech therapy.

As hateful as Autism Speaks is for the Autistic community, it does do important work for those parents in lobbying insurance companies etc. It is that which gains them support despite what other sh&t they do.

To stop the problem, we need not target Autism Speaks. We need to target the systemic discrimination against Autistic people which allows Autism Speaks to stay relevant.



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16 Sep 2015, 7:52 pm

I can't imagine my own mother even thinking about driving her car off a bridge with me inside it, let alone say it right there in front of me. Even if an autistic person is mute you should always assume they understand what you're saying. :(



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16 Sep 2015, 8:10 pm

I think this TED talk about terrorism is perhaps relevant to my earlier point, if we were to see Autism Speaks as a terrorist organisation :P

http://www.ted.com/talks/benedetta_bert ... y_in_power



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17 Sep 2015, 6:22 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
I can't imagine my own mother even thinking about driving her car off a bridge with me inside it, let alone say it right there in front of me. Even if an autistic person is mute you should always assume they understand what you're saying. :(


That was the most disturbing thing I've seen from Autism Speaks, and why I will never donate to them.



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17 Sep 2015, 6:31 pm

Ganondox wrote:
Seriously, I think it's time to not just complain about autism speaks, but see if we can take legal action agains them and get them to stop violating whatever ethics they are violating. #MSSNG would probably be a good place to target them on, I did research on it and the entire project is dependant on legal grey area. If we ca idenity some of the people who got included in their database, they might be able to sue them. Or we could try to pass legilslation which will make A$ lose their non-profit status by trying to make it illegal for a non-profigic organization to claim to represent people who have no power in their board. Something.
Who is this "We" you keep referring to?



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17 Sep 2015, 7:01 pm

People who would join a class action?



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18 Sep 2015, 12:58 am

Fnord wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Seriously, I think it's time to not just complain about autism speaks, but see if we can take legal action agains them and get them to stop violating whatever ethics they are violating. #MSSNG would probably be a good place to target them on, I did research on it and the entire project is dependant on legal grey area. If we ca idenity some of the people who got included in their database, they might be able to sue them. Or we could try to pass legilslation which will make A$ lose their non-profit status by trying to make it illegal for a non-profigic organization to claim to represent people who have no power in their board. Something.
Who is this "We" you keep referring to?


Are you for it (my proposition), or against it? If you're for it, you're part of the we.


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18 Sep 2015, 1:36 am

B19 wrote:
A summary link about the vileness that is Autism Speaks - for anyone not familiar with their methods and hate speech:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Autism_Speaks

In this next one, a mother speaks about the toxic effect Autism Speaks had on her after her child was diagnosed:

http://raisingrebelsouls.blogspot.co.nz ... peaks.html

There are some activist suggestions at the end of it.


Just catching on, I had no idea what Autism Speaks is .-. But after reading the articles quoted above, I'm 100 percent against them.

So so maddening, they are treating us wrongly. :cry:


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18 Sep 2015, 2:36 am

you would need one hell of a lawyer to sue autism speaks.im sure the ASAN would have already done it if possible.you never know,give it a try


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18 Sep 2015, 3:00 am

It begins with a vision of the outcome you want.

Know your enemy is the second rule, know them inside out.

Find their weaknesses, for they will have always have some.

Formulate an attack plan that by-passes the oppressors as personalities. Look as what they do, and have done, and plan to do, not who they are.

Don't be intimidated by defeatists. There will always be people who say "that will never work"

Formulate a clear plan. Make certain that it remains confidential to the leaders.

What Autism Speaks doesn't want, is for you to stop, listen acutely to your deep instinctive inner voice, free of emotion. To hear what it has to say about their organisation.

Avoid dialogue with nay-sayers - it is unproductive and will drain your energy.

Learn from successful leaders and biographies of those who have worked successfully to end oppression of other minority groups.

Have a mentor, who knows more than you about strategy, and believes in your objective.

Remember: that if a thing isn't absolutely impossible, then there must be a way to do it.

Believe you can do it, and never, never give your power away by believing the falsehood that you have no power.

There is nothing so powerful, it has been said, as an idea that has found its time.