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14 Dec 2017, 12:53 am

Should we encourage more people with Aspergers to join the neuroscience community? There is one particular one I would like to be brought to attention and that is the erasure of bad memories. Steve Ramirez a brilliant scientist who managed to erase a memory from a mouse using optogenetics, is established in Massechussets Institute of Technology. This topic is not explored enough by the right people which includes people with autism. I feel our extreme focus would be able to get more achieved in a shorter amount of time and progress this research. I have autism myself. There is also a program called Memory Hackers. Would any of you fellow Aspie interested in neuroscience consider joining this type of research to better the progress? Many people would benefit. This is true for all areas of science. I know for sure I would. Peace out.



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14 Dec 2017, 1:04 am

You already posted this like a few hours ago. It takes time to get replies.


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14 Dec 2017, 1:11 am

I'd love for my bad memories to be erased.


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14 Dec 2017, 3:00 am

Sounds dangerous.



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14 Dec 2017, 3:02 am

I would not want memories erased, as unpleasant as some of my past has been....it has helped shape me into the person I am now, for better or worse my memories are a part of me and my experience. Would I really be 'me' if I went and had all my bad memories erased? I am worried perhaps not.

And like another posted dementia, sounds scary luckily I don't think its really been a thing in my family on my dads or moms side. Though I do remember I was kind of happy for my great-grandmother when she died, because she was so miserable in the nursing home she lived out her last years in. I think my mom and grandma thought in saying this I was 'coping' but I never really knew my great grandmother very well so no I was just specifically relieved that she died because she was so unhappy..I wasn't really distraught about it at all. I never really knew her, she was super old ever since I can remember her and seemed miserable the last couplet times I saw her before she died.


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14 Dec 2017, 5:33 am

MariaTheFictionkin wrote:
You already posted this like a few hours ago. It takes time to get replies.


Maybe she forgot she posted it :wink:


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14 Dec 2017, 7:45 am

We should apply our talents where they might do the most good. However, there is a big gap between being able to understand a situation and being able to spread the understanding. Generally, the better promoted ideas prevail. Eg: the ratio between reasoned debate and hucksterism in politics.



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14 Dec 2017, 11:09 am

Feels like playing with fire to me. I love neuroscience, and if I went to Uni ever I would struggle to choose between studying computer science and studying biology with neuroscience.

However I think modifying memories is not research I would like to improve. Removing bad memories means being able to remove memories, the distinction between good and bad is entirely subjective, and the process won't know or care about the difference between the two.

I personally do not agree with removing bad memories anyway because your brain has been formed by the situations you have faced and your neural pathways are shaped and changed due to what happens to you every day. You remove a 'bad memory' I wonder how much it would change who you are as a person.

Also I don't know enough about the study to comment more but masking and removing a memory are different, removing a memory is something that I feel risks changing your personality and how your brain is wired, and masking them will still cause you physical and mental strain because you still know it has happened. I have PTSD and when bad memories re-appear its not like they were not affecting me before hand, its just I am aware of them now.

Maybe that didn't make sense lol, but yer. I think some of this memory stuff is quite terrifying. Won't be long before hacking humans will be a thing. At the same time its simply an extension of understanding humans and how they work. We can't seem to learn something without messing around with it and breaking it.



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14 Dec 2017, 2:14 pm

AntisocialButterfly wrote:
Feels like playing with fire to me. I love neuroscience, and if I went to Uni ever I would struggle to choose between studying computer science and studying biology with neuroscience.

However I think modifying memories is not research I would like to improve. Removing bad memories means being able to remove memories, the distinction between good and bad is entirely subjective, and the process won't know or care about the difference between the two.

I personally do not agree with removing bad memories anyway because your brain has been formed by the situations you have faced and your neural pathways are shaped and changed due to what happens to you every day. You remove a 'bad memory' I wonder how much it would change who you are as a person.

Also I don't know enough about the study to comment more but masking and removing a memory are different, removing a memory is something that I feel risks changing your personality and how your brain is wired, and masking them will still cause you physical and mental strain because you still know it has happened. I have PTSD and when bad memories re-appear its not like they were not affecting me before hand, its just I am aware of them now.

Maybe that didn't make sense lol, but yer. I think some of this memory stuff is quite terrifying. Won't be long before hacking humans will be a thing. At the same time its simply an extension of understanding humans and how they work. We can't seem to learn something without messing around with it and breaking it.


Some changes can be good like being how you once were before the memory if you were happier and more fun or just able to function normally. It should be removed only if it severely affects mental health and caused depression.



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14 Dec 2017, 2:17 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
I'd love for my bad memories to be erased.


I second that. No more rumination.



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14 Dec 2017, 2:52 pm

Many of my bad memories are reminders to be more careful. The ones I'm willing to give up are the PTSD triggers that are statistically unlikely to recur.



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14 Dec 2017, 4:17 pm

MissBigM wrote:
AntisocialButterfly wrote:
Feels like playing with fire to me. I love neuroscience, and if I went to Uni ever I would struggle to choose between studying computer science and studying biology with neuroscience.

However I think modifying memories is not research I would like to improve. Removing bad memories means being able to remove memories, the distinction between good and bad is entirely subjective, and the process won't know or care about the difference between the two.

I personally do not agree with removing bad memories anyway because your brain has been formed by the situations you have faced and your neural pathways are shaped and changed due to what happens to you every day. You remove a 'bad memory' I wonder how much it would change who you are as a person.

Also I don't know enough about the study to comment more but masking and removing a memory are different, removing a memory is something that I feel risks changing your personality and how your brain is wired, and masking them will still cause you physical and mental strain because you still know it has happened. I have PTSD and when bad memories re-appear its not like they were not affecting me before hand, its just I am aware of them now.

Maybe that didn't make sense lol, but yer. I think some of this memory stuff is quite terrifying. Won't be long before hacking humans will be a thing. At the same time its simply an extension of understanding humans and how they work. We can't seem to learn something without messing around with it and breaking it.


Some changes can be good like being how you once were before the memory if you were happier and more fun or just able to function normally. It should be removed only if it severely affects mental health and caused depression.


I guess I just fundamentally disagree with the idea of removing something because it wasn't nice. I've had plenty of memories that I wished would just go away, but those situations have shaped who I am, now I am better prepared to deal with it if it happens in future. I have learned from myself and others what to and what not to do. I am sure after WWII lots of people would have loved to have removed their memories of the senseless murder and horror however those memories are what drives us as a race to avoid such a thing again. On the flip side they caused a large number of suicides and greatly reduced the quality of life for returning soldiers etc. Everything has a list of pro's and con's it is likely more of a philosophical question than anything else.



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14 Dec 2017, 7:00 pm

Yes - if they are interested in it, as we all know, a hyperfocused ASD individual makes for a better researcher of any type.


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14 Dec 2017, 7:08 pm

This could be like chemotherapy: getting rid of the good cells, as well as the bad.......

I wouldn't undertake this.