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22 Jun 2018, 1:53 am

I've lost two friends the last few years of my life and the voices they put into my head haunt me on a daily basis even long after they've left me in the dust.
I go through the same routines in my life that I am stuck in and I hear them looking down on me for remaining stuck in my vicious cycle. If I am alone and my already limited social options are closed off, I hear them mocking me for lacking social skills. When I fail to get a girlfriend, I hear one of them boast about her current girlfriend (She was bisexual but seemed to prefer women) and the other telling me she has a new boyfriend. When I fail at something, I hear them boasting to me about their own accomplishments. When I feel hopeless about my life ever changing, I hear them telling me to "get your (mine) head out of your ass". I wish I never knew these people if I knew my friendships with them weren't going to last and I wish I could replace their voices but I feel they'll ultimately cheer with victory when I finally exit this life.



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22 Jun 2018, 5:36 pm

I hear voices in my head too. Sometimes I take their advice, sometimes I ignore them. Since it sounds like the voices in your head are being a**holes, you probably should just ignore them. Im so glad you are getting therapy. I think it will help.



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22 Jun 2018, 7:06 pm

Well you have to find a way to pull yourself out of the past and focus on the now. First step is recognizing you're stuck in the past and stuck in a vicious cycle which you have done....but you seem hesitant to take the next step of really trying to move forward.

I just hate to see you driving yourself crazy, but in order to do that you have to stop dwelling in the pain of the past...it is the only way.


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23 Jun 2018, 2:55 am

I often feel like I've been standing at a crossroads in my life but I've been standing at one for longer than most people do. I want to move forward but the fact I feel like I don't have any victories under my belt despite my struggles as well as the distance looking bleak has hammered spikes into my feet. I guess I feel like after suffering for so long I wonder where the break is.

I had to help my redneck father with something I couldn't avoid doing. I had to follow him to his friend's (A really corrupt used car salesman) car lot and drive him back to his other vehicle at my mother's house. I had been listening to Paradise Lost's Medusa album and I had forgotten that my father doesn't like the music I enjoy. When he got in, the song that played didn't feature Nick Holmes' clean vocals but his 'death growls' and my father asked me "What's he saying? Rah rah rah rah?", "What's this song about?" because he thought I was only listening to the song for the vocals rather than the music, "Do they play this in bible school? Hur hur hur!", and other questions I find tedious. This is pretty much how my life in the Bible Belt is like. I am an individual but the rednecks, hip hoppers, and Baptists (Both country and city dwellers) don't understand me and think I am strange. Their voices tend to ring in my head whenever I am trying to salvage my individuality but I am met with failure once more.

I honestly envy people who can do something like hentai (Pornographic anime and manga for those who don't know) on Patreon or elsewhere and make money off of it. I've become a fan of nearphotison's art and I wish I was born in an area like he was (I tend to think he's from California); I think if I had been born in Austin instead of the sick Belton-Killeen-Temple area, I would've felt more encouraged and inspired to draw as well as play music. Bible Belt morons would scoff at people like him and think they are losers but I don't see it like that. They are doing something they love for a living instead of working a boring and thankless day job. Even when I was a young preteen and still going to a Christian private school, I felt more peace and enjoyment looking at naughty drawings on the computer instead of going to church with my family or being made to read bible verses but the sex ed the private school taught as well as the whole "Save Sex for Marriage" slogan would make shame creep up on me. I am glad I eventually purged that from my system.



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23 Jun 2018, 3:28 am

Marknis wrote:
I often feel like I've been standing at a crossroads in my life but I've been standing at one for longer than most people do. I want to move forward but the fact I feel like I don't have any victories under my belt despite my struggles as well as the distance looking bleak has hammered spikes into my feet. I guess I feel like after suffering for so long I wonder where the break is.

I had to help my redneck father with something I couldn't avoid doing. I had to follow him to his friend's (A really corrupt used car salesman) car lot and drive him back to his other vehicle at my mother's house. I had been listening to Paradise Lost's Medusa album and I had forgotten that my father doesn't like the music I enjoy. When he got in, the song that played didn't feature Nick Holmes' clean vocals but his 'death growls' and my father asked me "What's he saying? Rah rah rah rah?", "What's this song about?" because he thought I was only listening to the song for the vocals rather than the music, "Do they play this in bible school? Hur hur hur!", and other questions I find tedious. This is pretty much how my life in the Bible Belt is like. I am an individual but the rednecks, hip hoppers, and Baptists (Both country and city dwellers) don't understand me and think I am strange. Their voices tend to ring in my head whenever I am trying to salvage my individuality but I am met with failure once more.

I honestly envy people who can do something like hentai (Pornographic anime and manga for those who don't know) on Patreon or elsewhere and make money off of it. I've become a fan of nearphotison's art and I wish I was born in an area like he was (I tend to think he's from California); I think if I had been born in Austin instead of the sick Belton-Killeen-Temple area, I would've felt more encouraged and inspired to draw as well as play music. Bible Belt morons would scoff at people like him and think they are losers but I don't see it like that. They are doing something they love for a living instead of working a boring and thankless day job. Even when I was a young preteen and still going to a Christian private school, I felt more peace and enjoyment looking at naughty drawings on the computer instead of going to church with my family or being made to read bible verses but the sex ed the private school taught as well as the whole "Save Sex for Marriage" slogan would make shame creep up on me. I am glad I eventually purged that from my system.



I went to plenty of church retreats and even went to a christian camp...honestly the church retreats weren't so bad. But the christian camp......that got a little bit scary. Me and my sister went just cause we thought it would be fun...but they kept trying to push a bunch of bible stuff. Like at one point me and my sister just played along to avoid negative attention from the staff, even though we were both very uncomfortable with the message they were giving we figured if we played along some they would not focus on us. Even so they ended up pressuring us to accept gifts of bibles so we took them so it wold be the end of it. But we were rather afraid, its like we were worried about what would happen if we refused the bibles.

I was glad to leave that camp........that is for sure...like they seriously freaked out me and my sister, we didn't even feel comfortable going to bed that night.

But we didn't even tell our mom because I don't think she knew what it was going to be, she just thought it would be a fun thing for us. So we lied and said the whole thing was great....but OMG it was one of the most horrible things ever.


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23 Jun 2018, 9:16 am

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I often feel like I've been standing at a crossroads in my life but I've been standing at one for longer than most people do. I want to move forward but the fact I feel like I don't have any victories under my belt despite my struggles as well as the distance looking bleak has hammered spikes into my feet. I guess I feel like after suffering for so long I wonder where the break is.

I had to help my redneck father with something I couldn't avoid doing. I had to follow him to his friend's (A really corrupt used car salesman) car lot and drive him back to his other vehicle at my mother's house. I had been listening to Paradise Lost's Medusa album and I had forgotten that my father doesn't like the music I enjoy. When he got in, the song that played didn't feature Nick Holmes' clean vocals but his 'death growls' and my father asked me "What's he saying? Rah rah rah rah?", "What's this song about?" because he thought I was only listening to the song for the vocals rather than the music, "Do they play this in bible school? Hur hur hur!", and other questions I find tedious. This is pretty much how my life in the Bible Belt is like. I am an individual but the rednecks, hip hoppers, and Baptists (Both country and city dwellers) don't understand me and think I am strange. Their voices tend to ring in my head whenever I am trying to salvage my individuality but I am met with failure once more.

I honestly envy people who can do something like hentai (Pornographic anime and manga for those who don't know) on Patreon or elsewhere and make money off of it. I've become a fan of nearphotison's art and I wish I was born in an area like he was (I tend to think he's from California); I think if I had been born in Austin instead of the sick Belton-Killeen-Temple area, I would've felt more encouraged and inspired to draw as well as play music. Bible Belt morons would scoff at people like him and think they are losers but I don't see it like that. They are doing something they love for a living instead of working a boring and thankless day job. Even when I was a young preteen and still going to a Christian private school, I felt more peace and enjoyment looking at naughty drawings on the computer instead of going to church with my family or being made to read bible verses but the sex ed the private school taught as well as the whole "Save Sex for Marriage" slogan would make shame creep up on me. I am glad I eventually purged that from my system.



I went to plenty of church retreats and even went to a christian camp...honestly the church retreats weren't so bad. But the christian camp......that got a little bit scary. Me and my sister went just cause we thought it would be fun...but they kept trying to push a bunch of bible stuff. Like at one point me and my sister just played along to avoid negative attention from the staff, even though we were both very uncomfortable with the message they were giving we figured if we played along some they would not focus on us. Even so they ended up pressuring us to accept gifts of bibles so we took them so it wold be the end of it. But we were rather afraid, its like we were worried about what would happen if we refused the bibles.

I was glad to leave that camp........that is for sure...like they seriously freaked out me and my sister, we didn't even feel comfortable going to bed that night.

But we didn't even tell our mom because I don't think she knew what it was going to be, she just thought it would be a fun thing for us. So we lied and said the whole thing was great....but OMG it was one of the most horrible things ever.


Wow, that sounds like the Jesus Camp. I am just glad that place closed down after the documentary about it exposed it. Was it anything like that place or was it a different form of crazy?

I will be fair and say I fortunately was never subjected to anything like the Jesus Camp. I was taken to a Church of Christ for most of my youth and I wasn't subjected to anything fanatical but I struggled to socialize with other kids.
There was a time, though, my mother had me read and memorize verses from Revelations because she wanted me to go to a bible study. When we arrived, though, the kids were saying different things than what I had read and I couldn't keep up so I became discouraged. My mother asked me why I was resting my head on my arms on the table and I told her to please take me home.

Now, the private school I had to go to during the day however, I was told things like the Earth is only 6000 years old, evolution is "against God", creationism was true, gays were evil, I had to "spread the word" which was silly because most of the population around me believed in "the word", Bill Clinton "killed children", being a Christian didn't absolve you from being a "sinner", rock music tempts you to do bad things, Satan "perverted sex" :roll:, and other nonsense.

What really ruined religion for me was when I became truly depressed and I wondered why God wasn't helping me despite how supposedly He had "plans" for me. I became angry at God and didn't want to worship Him anymore. Later on, it changed to just being sick with how hypocritical the people who called themselves Christians really behaved. I realized how especially the Baptists were selective and willfully ignorant with the bible despite kicking up the biggest fusses about being Christian. Even my friend who is a strong Christian agrees with me that the American church is sick.



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23 Jun 2018, 9:51 am

Marknis, have you had a frank conversation with your mother about moving out? Or does she always put you down for wanting that and tell you that you could never succeed?

There are many different ways to achieve it, but it seems like living independently might give you options for moving ahead with your life. What about a roommate situation in Austin?

I apologize if this is not where you wanted to go with this thread.


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23 Jun 2018, 9:53 am

Just wanted to add - life in a small town can be stifling and depressing if your social skills are limited or if, like what you describe, the cultural environment is not something you feel compatible with.


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26 Jun 2018, 10:27 am

BeaArthur wrote:
Just wanted to add - life in a small town can be stifling and depressing if your social skills are limited or if, like what you describe, the cultural environment is not something you feel compatible with.


I don't exactly live in a small town - more like a small city - but the social scene is indeed small if you aren't religious or a redneck or ghetto hip hopper.

My ex-friends also kept overlooking the fact they had large networks of friends while I do not. One of them was polyamorous so she was never in short supply for support.



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Just wanted to add - life in a small town can be stifling and depressing if your social skills are limited or if, like what you describe, the cultural environment is not something you feel compatible with.


I don't exactly live in a small town - more like a small city - but the social scene is indeed small if you aren't religious or a redneck or ghetto hip hopper.

My ex-friends also kept overlooking the fact they had large networks of friends while I do not. One of them was polyamorous so she was never in short supply for support.

Tell me more about those friendships. When did they start, how did they start, and how did they end?


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27 Jun 2018, 12:29 am

Marknis wrote:
I've lost two friends the last few years of my life and the voices they put into my head haunt me on a daily basis even long after they've left me in the dust.
I go through the same routines in my life that I am stuck in and I hear them looking down on me for remaining stuck in my vicious cycle. If I am alone and my already limited social options are closed off, I hear them mocking me for lacking social skills. When I fail to get a girlfriend, I hear one of them boast about her current girlfriend (She was bisexual but seemed to prefer women) and the other telling me she has a new boyfriend. When I fail at something, I hear them boasting to me about their own accomplishments. When I feel hopeless about my life ever changing, I hear them telling me to "get your (mine) head out of your ass". I wish I never knew these people if I knew my friendships with them weren't going to last and I wish I could replace their voices but I feel they'll ultimately cheer with victory when I finally exit this life.


I din't think your friends want you to fail think they want you to succeed but became fatigued. Friends are great for helping us shoulder our problems but it's important to be cognizant of their needs and limitations as well. If you keep telling someone the same old story, it's like seeing the same movie over and over again. People need variety in their lives. Instead of telling your friend the same old story, try talking about something new or seeing a new movie or trying a new restaurant or having a fun experience together. Take a vacation from your problems with a friend.



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27 Jun 2018, 12:32 am

Marknis wrote:
I've lost two friends the last few years of my life and the voices they put into my head haunt me on a daily basis even long after they've left me in the dust.
I go through the same routines in my life that I am stuck in and I hear them looking down on me for remaining stuck in my vicious cycle. If I am alone and my already limited social options are closed off, I hear them mocking me for lacking social skills. When I fail to get a girlfriend, I hear one of them boast about her current girlfriend (She was bisexual but seemed to prefer women) and the other telling me she has a new boyfriend. When I fail at something, I hear them boasting to me about their own accomplishments. When I feel hopeless about my life ever changing, I hear them telling me to "get your (mine) head out of your ass". I wish I never knew these people if I knew my friendships with them weren't going to last and I wish I could replace their voices but I feel they'll ultimately cheer with victory when I finally exit this life.


I don't think your (ex)friends want you to fail. I think they want you to succeed but became fatigued. Friends are great for helping us shoulder our problems but it's important to be cognizant of their needs and limitations as well. If you keep telling someone the same old story, it's like taking them to see the same movie over and over again. People need variety in their lives. Instead of telling your friend the same old story, try talking about something new or seeing a new movie or trying a new restaurant or having a fun experience together. Sometimes being with a friend should be like taking a vacation from your problems.



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27 Jun 2018, 12:34 pm

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Marknis wrote:
BeaArthur wrote:
Just wanted to add - life in a small town can be stifling and depressing if your social skills are limited or if, like what you describe, the cultural environment is not something you feel compatible with.


I don't exactly live in a small town - more like a small city - but the social scene is indeed small if you aren't religious or a redneck or ghetto hip hopper.

My ex-friends also kept overlooking the fact they had large networks of friends while I do not. One of them was polyamorous so she was never in short supply for support.

Tell me more about those friendships. When did they start, how did they start, and how did they end?


I am short on time so I will give the condensed versions of the stories and go into detail later (Will be hard though because the memories still hurt). The first one I befriended in 2009 at the mall when it used to have a bookstore, we would hang out quite often, and it ended when she got a job that required her to move two hours away. Her behavior was different when we communicated on the phone and she eventually called me just to tell me "I don't like you! I am not your friend!" (2013). The second friendship happened in 2015 and this person was a classmate of my older brother's who happened to have Aspergers. She wanted to start an Aspergers support group and do game nights but she dropped the group idea when she broke up with her boyfriend and she never got back to me on gaming. It was okay for her to lament about not having a boyfriend (Even once saying "All guys suck!") and being unhappy with her life but was ready to kill me if I expressed wanting a girlfriend and a better life. She eventually cut me off and ironically I later heard she moved to the same place my other ex-friend moved to.



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27 Jun 2018, 1:37 pm

Ah, interesting.

So, you did have friendships, they were with girls, but they were not dating relationships. And when they ended, their words left you with lasting hurt feelings.

I think possibly those relationships were not tenable for the long term. Maybe they held the possibility of turning into something romantic (either in your mind, or their mind) and failing to develop in that direction spelled the end of a relationship (either for them or for you).

I think it's also possible that you have tended to put too much of your emotional connection in one basket (putting all your eggs in one basket) ... and it became burdensome for these women.

But the fact that you had these friendships at all is significant. You had someone to hang out and share with. Now you need to work on forming some new friendships. In another thread, you said being a talented artist or musician would result in a sense of belonging (my paraphrase).

Grist for the therapy mill. I hope that is going well for you.


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29 Jun 2018, 10:04 am

When you get these thoughts in your head try and replace them with something else. I don't know if it's an aspie thing, but I have certain phrases that pop into my head when certain things happen. I've been working to overcome some of the negative phrases. As soon as I think it I will think a new more positive phrase to try and replace it so that the positive phrase is the self soothing message that my brain brings up instead of the negative one. It's hard going, but I'm slowly managing to remove some thoughts from regular circulation.



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When you get these thoughts in your head try and replace them with something else. I don't know if it's an aspie thing, but I have certain phrases that pop into my head when certain things happen. I've been working to overcome some of the negative phrases. As soon as I think it I will think a new more positive phrase to try and replace it so that the positive phrase is the self soothing message that my brain brings up instead of the negative one. It's hard going, but I'm slowly managing to remove some thoughts from regular circulation.

That's a really good suggestion, hurtloam.


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