Have you ever taken a "faux pas" test?
I took a "faux pas" test, a.k.a. a social decorum test (to use a more positive label) online recently - it was actually created in part by the famous Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen of the Univ. of Cambridge. As I recall there were 20 questions, and guess what?? I got 100% on it
Mind you, playing devils advocate, I'm in my late 40s now and if I were half my age, maybe I would've gotten about 60%.
When doing the test, they give you a short social story or scenario and at the end ask you, "Was a social faux pas committed?" or "Did Jane say something she shouldn't have?" The scenarios usually entail ToM (theory of mind) like when two people are interacting, one talks about something that upset her, then a 3rd person suddenly enters the room and says something that triggers the upset. Now clearly, in that case, no faux pas was committed b/c that 3rd person wasn't supposed to know, they weren't there for the main part of the dialogue. That's just a basic example, there are some that are more involved. But it sort of alludes to that classic "marble test", the one to test if you have autism where Sally goes out of the room, the other kid takes the marble from the red box and puts it in a blue box, then Sally comes back in...blah blah blah, you know the rest
When I answered these, I took care to answer fairly quickly like in less than 10 seconds, as if it were in real-time b/c socio-emotional intuition works much faster than analytical thinking. So, that's one more reason why sometimes getting an ASD/HFA (formerly Asperger) diagnosis can be tricky for some practitioners, b/c Aspies have learned some rudiments of social interaction by heart and they've learned to mask. In a similar vein, I once did a test of facial expressions, and got 17/20 - it was multiple choice (four answers) and two were usually close, like contempt and disgust. Again, I answered fairly quickly to simulate reality. The final score told me that I've got above-average emotional intelligence (ha ha!) - but again ,this is a simulation and is more static, it doesn't necessarily & accurately predict success in real interactions.
But the two test results were encouraging, nonetheless.
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right? I am afraid of my result XD
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Not officially but I saw a psychiatrist using one on one of my patients and thought ohh how interesting, let’s have a go! Quickly got myself in knots about it! I think I’d pass it but not agree it was a faux pas if you know what I mean?
I mean I have 48 years on this planet so I’ve picked up something!
In my diagnosis, which is part of a scientific study, I think many of the tests you mention are difficult for an autistic person to mentally process.
I believe your statement.
But I don't understand how an autistic person has a theory of mind.
In a battery of tests (I've completed many), for example, there was one on theory of mind.
Up until that point, it felt like I was taking a classic IQ test.
There, I was 93% ahead of the average on the tests.
A doctor calculated it and told her colleague.
I usually stay focused on these things.
I answered them quickly, yes, but I was thinking about it.
My thought speed is considered high, perhaps because it's only visual and therefore skips many mental steps.
So, for example, reading. For example, if you practice speed reading, you avoid mistakes that waste your time.
A technique that improves speed and comprehension by eliminating ineffective habits like subvocalization (mumbling words) and expanding the visual and peripheral fields of the eyes. Common techniques include skimming (scrolling through the text to identify the main ideas) and using a pointer to maintain pace and avoid regressions, with the ultimate goal of scrolling faster while maintaining a good level of comprehension and retaining it for years.
I get to the question about the theory of mind and am left with no ability to find the solution.
Honestly, it was very embarrassing.
I told the doctors I couldn't answer and could move on to the other questions.
I know that test you describe, but I already think it would cause problems.
Less than ten seconds, depending on the task, sometimes it can take as little as one second, I'd say two seconds even with clicking.
For increasingly complex tasks, you need to spend more than ten seconds; otherwise, answering in a rush is equivalent to failing them.
You can only answer questions you know very well.
For example, military tests, or job-tests on subjects you've studied.
For example, I often don't understand facial expressions in real life, even in tests. If I'm not alone and it happens at a safe distance, I ask what they represent for people I care about.
I think answering a drawing test is quite possible (I don't remember my score, but it wasn't high).
A few hours ago, my brother had to go into a store and parked in an internal driveway facing the store.
The area was quite large, and even a truck was driving by.
A girl drives by.
I see her slow down and look inside her car; I was in the passenger seat.
If you asked me why, I wouldn't know.
I looked at her, and she passed because there was space.
My brother arrives, and I ask him for an explanation.
He tells me it was probably because of the non-ideal space between the two cars.
I don't have that ability to quickly understand certain things that you have.
Facial expressions, unless words are added.
Theory of mind.
You describe your ability to understand socio-emotional situations.
I've always worked on this, but I haven't succeeded yet.
I lack social reciprocity and understanding of other people's emotions. I have difficulty sharing feelings; I don't even understand some of them. Unlike common perception, some autistic people can have strong emotional empathy, perceiving other people's emotions very intensely, even if they struggle to "decode" them and manage them in the socially expected way.
You fall into this phase, but you don't struggle to decode them and are you able to manage them socially as others expect?
If something doesn't work for me and I find it illogical, I say so. It shouldn't, I don't use social filters, and experience hasn't helped me at all.
I mean, I make those social interaction mistakes again.
It doesn't happen just to me, but to many autistic people.
Have you ever seen Adam with Hugh Dancy when they ask him something?
There.
It doesn't matter if he's fantastic in other ways.
People communicate, and I don't.
If I receive an email from a professional (a lawyer, for example), I read it immediately, reply, and before sending it, have someone who worked as an assistant for a lawyer check it.
And they tell me it doesn't just have to be valid, it has to be well-written.
My email becomes short and to the point.
I would write briefly, but that would be unsuitable.
Sometimes I read certain types of emails, and if they contain overly emotional sentences, I spend up to an hour trying to figure out how to respond appropriately.
In fact, and here I agree with you where you say that an image is more static and different in real interactions, in fact they change.
And in that context, how do you handle it?
Before, I didn't want to make a gaffe.
Message about how a relative of mine is doing.
He had a transplant, but his body won't accept it, so it doesn't work.
He told me
I replied that she was returning from intensive care and that there are things much worse than my depression.
Um: why are you asking me how you are? If you don't want the answer?
My first draft of the answer was that yes, there are other terrible things in life, but shouldn't feeling bad be downplayed and compared to other things that have nothing to do with it?
And that there's no order of illnesses where you feel better or worse than others:
If you have major depression, you feel bad.
She doesn't know this.
But reasoning like that is illogical.
I deleted everything and wrote banal things like, "You're right, there are worse things."
That ended the pointless interaction.
A surreal scene comes to mind: Rwanda when they were hacking people to death.
Then in the emergency room, a hypothetical doctor asks an amputee how are you?
"Bad doctor: I'm without a chair."
And he replied: "You know, I just saw a quadruple amputee, he's missing his legs too!"
Macabre, I know.
(Oh, it's an old thread, I didn't see the date.)
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I'm usually considered very polite. I try to give a lot of thought about dealing with people on touchy matters, so I feel like I do pretty well in this category. However, I've had a few moments:
A local man had just completed building an experimental airplane at our local airport, and when I looked at it, I asked him, "Will it fly?" I guess that was kind of an insult.
I was talking to an older cousin once, and I asked him if he was ever tested for Asperger's. He kind of acted "put out" by my question. I guess I shouldn't have asked him.
When I went to the tattoo parlor to get my first of several tattoos, I asked the tattoo artist if the needles were new and not used. She said, "I just cleaned them in the toilet before you arrived for your appointment."
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A local man had just completed building an experimental airplane at our local airport, and when I looked at it, I asked him, "Will it fly?" I guess that was kind of an insult.
I was talking to an older cousin once, and I asked him if he was ever tested for Asperger's. He kind of acted "put out" by my question. I guess I shouldn't have asked him.
When I went to the tattoo parlor to get my first of several tattoos, I asked the tattoo artist if the needles were new and not used. She said, "I just cleaned them in the toilet before you arrived for your appointment."
OK, that last one is definitely sarcasm and indignation!! !
This is where perspective taking and empathy might help - these folks who run tattoo shops no doubt pride themselves on their craft, and following proper sanitary protocol...I mean could you imagine the fallout if word got out... basically, NEVER insinuate that somebody may have done something unethical if you have no evidence (same goes for accusing people of stealing something just b/c they were in the vicinity when it went missing).
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