Jesus’ human nature towards the end of his journey on earth
Jesus came to offer us the hope of eternal life and remission of sins. He was given to us a gift from his father to offer us hope of a continuation of life beyond the death of our mortal bodies. Our spirits could go onto to live beyond in Heaven or on New Earth.
After about a year in sabbatical writing my own story and wider reading I have these two questions and would like your views why you think Jesus on earth said these two things.
In the Garden of Gethsemane he asked his father to take this cup of suffering away from him. Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done (Luke 22:42).
On the Cross he also groaned out- Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani" -My God my God why have you forsaken me (Matthew 24:47).
Jesus was fully divine in a mortal body and was not without physical strength at his command. He also had human attributes though, it seems to be emotion that he felt when he said both of these things as being on the Cross was awful to experience and witness, but he knew that he was going to Heaven and actually had more strength to survive further than three days. God has said also in Psalm 30-that our emotions can override us at times, and then we pull ourselves together showing how moments of being made in his image can overtake us briefly. God knew that it was enough for his Son.
The Garden of Gethsemane makes me wonder as to what could have been going through Jesus’ mind. He saw that his colleagues had betrayed him-two of them-Peter and Judas. Which was meant to happen-but could have been difficult for anyone to see. Some people had denied who he was and said he was guilty of sin by healing on the Sabbath and by saying that he is the Son of God-many didn’t believe him. When he was being sentenced also he refused to speak to those sentencing him, so he suppressed any feelings if he had them to himself.
He was put on the cross as a lawbreaker. He was given vingear to drink which was humbling given that he was the Son of God. He was also mocked on the Cross.
I was wondering to, if this could have affected him-that he may have thought that he was around his father’s enemies in life and who would want to live a life with their families enemies. I certainly well wouldn’t want to live long term with my father’s enemies on earth or in Heaven. He was only still in his 30s as well and although was full of wisdom far beyond his years. He was still this age building up his self belief in himself as a person. Did he feel that he did enough for his Father, of course he did. He is now fully developed in spirit growth in real years as his spirit has lived on beyond his mortal death.
So, what are some of your thoughts as to why he said these things in your inner thoughts.
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What happened to Jesus was the plan for his life, but I find it interesting looking at what could have been going through his mind to lead him to make both of the comments that he made. I never was able to think much of his suffering on the cross before due to finding it too painful and used to go from the Garden of Gethsemane to the Supper at Emmaus. I have drawn more to looking at his suffering that he went through during the Passion of Christ. For God to see his Son on the Cross-extremely difficult perhaps as me I cannot even bare seeing a nail biting match if family are involved.
I have had a difficult month with one of my conditions. During this time I observed that I had a number of different internal thoughts and one day I was doing watering for my church gardens and I thought what inner turmoil must Jesus have had so many thoughts may have on his mind before he went on the cross. There was may be the voice of mother and more.
I forgot to state above that Jesus was bearing the Crowing with thorns on his head which was piercing with pain and can distort your thoughts and you will say anything. All is understood when I remember this.
Also, during his time in life some may have thought he was the Son of God but didn't want to admit to it for some reason.
In the Garden of Gethsemane he was a prophet too and the Son of God so probably knew what he would be up against so may be it played on his mind and 40 days is a long time to go without food and to be left to think.
Psalm 137 is about worshipping in a strange land as well as about recovering from disorientation. Now I wonder if the world began to look very strange to the Lord.
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I remembered today that in Luke Luke 22:43 that an angel appeared to Jesus to strenghten him in the Garden of Getheseme. Not all the Gospels tell of this encounter, so people may not know it. Of course at this point Jesus knew what was ahead of him. Most people do know that angels came to support him after he was tempted by the devil and won through in conviction.
Catholic traditions of the Bible like the Douay-Rheims Bible also mention that the Lord was in turmoil and agony at this point. It doesn't mention though exactly in his words what was going through his mind.
I also read that Jesus was spat at as well when he was being crucfixed. At the end when his mortal life has ceased he was pierced in the side to confirm life extinct on earth. I wonder how he must have felt all about shortly after when he went to reside in Heaven.
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I have tied this up and made it all readable my thoughts above into one post, I made a blog post about it, so came to post the new post which was more readable.
This is my writing on the Passion of Christ from the time of Jesus' arrest until his his mortal death on the Cross, which he carried.
Jesus came to offer us the hope of eternal life and remission of sins. He was given to us a gift from his father to offer us hope of a continuation of life beyond the death of our mortal bodies. Our spirits could go onto to live beyond in Heaven or on New Earth.
In the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus asked his father to take this cup of suffering away from him. Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done (Luke 22:42).
On the Cross he also groaned out- Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani" -My God my God why have you forsaken me (Matthew 24:47).
Jesus was fully divine in a mortal body and was not without physical strength at his command. He also had human attributes though, it seems to be emotion that he felt when he said both of these things as being on the Cross was awful to experience and witness, but he knew that he was going to Heaven and actually had more strength to survive further than three days. God has said also in Psalm 30-that our emotions can override us at times, and then we pull ourselves together showing how moments of being made in his image can overtake us briefly. God knew that it was enough for his Son.
The Garden of Gethsemane makes me wonder as to what could have been going through Jesus’ mind. He saw that his colleagues would betray him-two of them-dened by Peter and to be betrayed by Judas. Which was meant to happen-but could have been difficult for anyone to see. He was a prophet as well as the Son of God and knew what further was to come for him in the coming days. 40 days is a long time to go without food and to be left to think. I have thought over what inner turmoil must Jesus may have had with so many thoughts going through his mind before he went on the cross. There was may be the voice of mother and more.
Jesus also wore the Crown of thorns on his head which was piercing with pain and can distort your thoughts and you can say anything.
Some people seemed to believe that he was the Son of God, but denied it and some also denied who he was outright and said he was guilty of sin by healing on the Sabbath and by saying that he is the Son of God-many didn’t believe him. When he was being sentenced also he refused to speak to those sentencing him, so he suppressed any feelings if he had them to himself.
He was put on the cross as a lawbreaker. He was given vingear to drink which was humbling given that he was the Son of God. It was said he rejected this, but the Gospel of Luke states that he drank it a different mixture given to him. He was also mocked significantly. I also read that Jesus was spat at as well when he was being crucfixed.
I was wondering to and explored myself, if this could have affected him-that he may have thought that he was around his father’s enemies in life now also and who would want to live a life with their families enemies. I certainly well wouldn’t want to live long term with my father’s enemies on earth.
Psalm 137 is about worshipping in a strange land as well as about recovering from disorientation. Now I wonder if the world began to look very strange to the Lord.
He was only still in his 30s as well and although was full of wisdom far beyond his years. He was still this age building up his self belief in himself as a person. Did he feel that he did enough for his Father, of course he did as we know, but the mind can hold us to a higher account. Jesus is now fully developed in the spirit in Heaven.
What happened to Jesus was the plan for his life, but I find it interesting looking at what could have been going through his mind to lead him to make both of the comments that he made. I never was able to think much of his suffering on the cross before due to finding it too painful and used to go from the Garden of Gethsemane to the Supper at Emmaus. I have drawn most recently to look at the suffering that he went through during the Passion of Christ in greater depth.
For God to see his Son on the Cross-extremely difficult perhaps as me I cannot even bare seeing a nail biting match if family are involved. He gave his son, imagine watching him on the Cross from above...agony for any Father for 3 days and every private thought and groan of his Son in turmoil he could hear as well.
I remembered today that in (Luke 22:43) that an angel appeared to Jesus to strenghten him in the Garden of Getheseme. Not all the Gospels tell of this encounter, so people may not know it. Of course at this point Jesus knew what was ahead of him. Most people do know that angels came to support him after he was tempted by the devil and won through in conviction.
Catholic traditions of the Bible like the Douay-Rheims Bible also mention that the Lord was in turmoil and agony at this point. It doesn't mention though exactly in his words what was going through his mind.
This is my writing on the Passion of Christ from the time of his arrest until his his mortal death on the Cross, which he carried. He will come again. I had an image of me being magnitised up to Heaven. We do the best we can and walk humbly and hold onto our truths, for Christ to be revealed at the end. The Father, the Son and Holy Spirit are more than deserving of a gun saltue for everything they have given to us on earth. Indebted.
Jesus came to offer us the hope of eternal life and remission of sins. He was given to us a gift from his father to offer us hope of a continuation of life beyond the death of our mortal bodies. Our spirits could go onto to live beyond in Heaven or on New Earth.
In the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus asked his father to take this cup of suffering away from him. Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done (Luke 22:42).
On the Cross he also groaned out- Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani" -My God my God why have you forsaken me (Matthew 24:47).
Jesus was fully divine in a mortal body and was not without physical strength at his command. He also had human attributes though, it seems to be emotion that he felt when he said both of these things as being on the Cross was awful to experience and witness, but he knew that he was going to Heaven and actually had more strength to survive further than three days. God has said also in Psalm 30-that our emotions can override us at times, and then we pull ourselves together showing how moments of being made in his image can overtake us briefly. God knew that it was enough for his Son.
The Garden of Gethsemane makes me wonder as to what could have been going through Jesus’ mind. He saw that his colleagues would betray him-two of them-dened by Peter and to be betrayed by Judas. Which was meant to happen-but could have been difficult for anyone to see. He was a prophet as well as the Son of God and knew what further was to come for him in the coming days. 40 days is a long time to go without food and to be left to think. I have thought over what inner turmoil must Jesus may have had with so many thoughts going through his mind before he went on the cross. There was may be the voice of mother and more.
Jesus also wore the Crown of thorns on his head which was piercing with pain and can distort your thoughts and you can say anything.
Some people seemed to believe that he was the Son of God, but denied it and some also denied who he was outright and said he was guilty of sin by healing on the Sabbath and by saying that he is the Son of God-many didn’t believe him. When he was being sentenced also he refused to speak to those sentencing him, so he suppressed any feelings if he had them to himself.
He was put on the cross as a lawbreaker. He was given vingear to drink which was humbling given that he was the Son of God. It was said he rejected this, but the Gospel of Luke states that he drank it a different mixture given to him. He was also mocked significantly. I also read that Jesus was spat at as well when he was being crucfixed.
I was wondering to and explored myself, if this could have affected him-that he may have thought that he was around his father’s enemies in life now also and who would want to live a life with their families enemies. I certainly well wouldn’t want to live long term with my father’s enemies on earth.
Psalm 137 is about worshipping in a strange land as well as about recovering from disorientation. Now I wonder if the world began to look very strange to the Lord.
He was only still in his 30s as well and although was full of wisdom far beyond his years. He was still this age building up his self belief in himself as a person. Did he feel that he did enough for his Father, of course he did as we know, but the mind can hold us to a higher account. Jesus is now fully developed in the spirit in Heaven.
What happened to Jesus was the plan for his life, but I find it interesting looking at what could have been going through his mind to lead him to make both of the comments that he made. I never was able to think much of his suffering on the cross before due to finding it too painful and used to go from the Garden of Gethsemane to the Supper at Emmaus. I have drawn most recently to look at the suffering that he went through during the Passion of Christ in greater depth.
For God to see his Son on the Cross-extremely difficult perhaps as me I cannot even bare seeing a nail biting match if family are involved. He gave his son, imagine watching him on the Cross from above...agony for any Father for 3 days and every private thought and groan of his Son in turmoil he could hear as well.
I remembered today that in (Luke 22:43) that an angel appeared to Jesus to strenghten him in the Garden of Getheseme. Not all the Gospels tell of this encounter, so people may not know it. Of course at this point Jesus knew what was ahead of him. Most people do know that angels came to support him after he was tempted by the devil and won through in conviction.
Catholic traditions of the Bible like the Douay-Rheims Bible also mention that the Lord was in turmoil and agony at this point. It doesn't mention though exactly in his words what was going through his mind.
At the end when his mortal life had ceased Jesus was pierced in the side to confirm life extinct on earth. With the folding of the napkin on his head to mark the completion of his journey on earth it was folded and reminiscent of the Last Supper completed in the Cenacle room.
He is the Son of God, the Son of Elias, God. He was given to us by God, so that we could have a relationship with him by the forgiveness of our sins, giving us the Lamb of God, his Son as a way of us residing with him everlasting. On earth he gives us a chance to start again and to become a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17).
" Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!"
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What I get from this is that Jesus was willing to make his will subordinate to Yahweh's will... which wouldn't happen if Jesus was God. Not because it is or isn't a lesson in humility or the order of relationships... but because it says they had two opposing wills.
Imagine if we were talking about coming to a fork in the road. There's only one correct direction. Yahweh wants to go left. Jesus wants to go right, but goes left because that's what Yahweh wants.
If there's only one correct way, then both, by their divine nature, would naturally choose the same way. There'd be no conflict. This isn't about choosing. This is about the nature of the choosers. We might go either way, just because of dumb luck. But God would get it right, every time, because of his nature.
Jesus's nature DESIRED a DIFFERENT way, and he had to overcome it. A human could find themself in that position. History is full of martyrs. But if Jesus was God... this verse wouldn't have reason to exist. He'd have run to the cross... not baulked.
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Me thinks any entity in human form facing that sort of situation . Might have asked for relief,given he got stuck with being manifested in human format . But if you gotz a entity with the power of God , Not so sure you would wish to debate the issue . Might coulda been worse for him otherwise? Either way ,made for a long lived ,well read book.
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He was born in an obscure village,
The child of a peasant woman.
He grew up in still another village,
Where he worked in a carpenter shop
Until he was thirty.
Then for three years
He was an itinerant preacher.
He never wrote a book.
He never held an office.
He never had a family or owned a house.
He didn’t go to college.
He never visited a big city.
He never traveled two hundred miles
From the place where he was born.
He did none of the things
One usually associates with greatness.
He had no credentials but himself.
He was only thirty-three
When the tide of public opinion turned against him.
His friends ran away.
He was turned over to his enemies.
And went through the mockery of a trial.
He was nailed to a cross
Between two thieves.
While he was dying,
His executioners gambled for his clothing,
The only property he had on Earth.
When he was dead,
He was laid in a borrowed grave
Through the pity of a friend.
Twenty centuries have come and gone,
And today he is the central figure
Of the human race,
And the leader of mankind’s progress.
All the armies that ever marched,
All the navies that ever sailed,
All the parliament that ever sat,
All the kings that ever reigned,
Put together have not affected
The life of man on Earth
As much as that
One Solitary Life.
(By Dr James Allen Francis)
I just wanted to write that the Lord at the end of the three days on the Cross a sudarium was placed actually on his head and folded.
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DoniiMann-It is interesting reading all your thoughts. In my life I try and live a life that is the will of God for my life. Someone might not perfectly walk that path-but a lot of Christians hope to fulfil the will of God in their life or at least most of it.
Jesus' lived a life conscreated for God. Jesus was just still in his 30s when he was taken to the cross. He was rational and knew this was still young to leave a mortal life but he said that he knew his time and journey was complete on earth. He said this a few times to his disciples. Jesus knew that his fathers will was overriding and he had been called to partake in being a mediator between his father and man and being a new sacrifical atonement giving us a new bread of prescence which was the eucharist and his blood for the remission of sins.
I think perhaps he must been ministered to again when he arrived in heaven after all of that.
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Moving On-
I read that some people see Jesus as being a victim soul-I think that is more of a Catholic thing. I read that Mary calls people to be a victim soul, that their lives can save other souls through their suffering. These people may become married in spiritual union to the lamb, which is the church of Christ which Jesus is the head of the book of Ephesians tells us. People are told who can partake in this marriage, this can be through a vision or another channel etc.
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There are two corrections to what I wrote, as from memory I recall the Gospels but some how I managed to write the time wrong that the Lord spent on the cross, but that doesn't change my thoughts on anything else that I wrote.
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Jesus...... but he knew that he was going to Heaven and actually had more strength to survive further than the hours he spent on the Cross.
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For God to see his Son on the Cross-extremely difficult perhaps as me I cannot even bare seeing a nail biting match if family are involved. He gave his son, imagine watching him on the Cross from above...agony for any Father and every private thought and groan of his Son in turmoil he could hear as well.
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It ended turning up into a post I made as well which can be read in full here-
https://www.racheltestimony.com/2025/08 ... hrist.html
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I saw this art and really liked it and it reminded me of this post.
It spoke to me -that Christ would have said that he was innocent. It can also speak to me that I am the husband as well to the church which is his groom- which was his next stage as well.
Christ quittant le prétoire
(Christ Leaving the Praetorium Christ quittant le prétoire, Between 1874 and 1880. )
Gustave Dore
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He (By Dr James Allen Francis)
Hmmm. Wasn't Jerusalem a large-ish city, by the standards of the time? (Of course, not by modern standards.)
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He (By Dr James Allen Francis)
Hmmm. Wasn't Jerusalem a large-ish city, by the standards of the time? (Of course, not by modern standards.)
I think Jerusalem was one of the bigger if not biggest cities in that area during the first century. It was for sure one of the most important so it was prolly equivalent to a big city today for that time.
So, what are some of your thoughts as to why he said these things in your inner thoughts.
Hi Rachel !
"Did he feel that he did enough for his Father, of course he did" => Yes, it is "it is finished" : Jesus fulfilled his mandate, die for the sin of every human and offer whoever wants life the forgiveness of God.
About why he said the Father to take the cup away but the Father's will be done : I think he said this because he suffered angst like any human could face just before a crucifixion on a cross. It was a way of sharing and casting his emotions onto the Father before what was going to take place. But Jesus came on earth for this purpose...
Sometimes I remember this when something appears hard to me, about autism. I know humanly I just can't do it. But with God's Spirit upon me, I can.
That's the kind of situations where I see the difference between my autistic life before and my life now with God.
Not everything is easy but when I don't have strength he gives me his.
So... That was my sharing about your topic
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