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12 Aug 2025, 11:57 pm

A stepwise decline in the ability to cope/function well within a predominantly neurotypical society, First decline = age 4. Started to become more quiet and withdrawn. Coincided with going to live in Bangkok. Where my father was posted to serve as a political officer, 2nd decline = age 8. Started at prep school. Bed wet almost every day for first couple of years, but never did so at home.Subjected to a mild to moderate level of bullying. 3rd decline= age 13. Expected to be more independent. Subjected to a high level of verbal abuse from the very start of going there. Social anxiety----------increasing depression---------psychosis. The latter from trying to please my parents by getting to uni vs the stark realisation I wouldn't be able to cope with the non academic side of being at university. In terms of being independent I was young for my age.

Academic performance gradually declined alongside that stepwise decline in coping/functioning. Very much due to moderately severe EF deficits. I was about 10 when the decline started. According to my late father my IQ at that time was very high.


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13 Aug 2025, 7:41 am

It looks like the answer is NO. That stepwise decline in copying/functioning isn't typically autistic. Being very intelligent and yet having difficulty using it in real life situations ; the exception rather than the norm.


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13 Aug 2025, 8:50 am

The intellectual thing, I can identify with.. Your early step downs in function and sociological things maybe directly relate to possible psyche issues, consider abuse / neglect of any kind , by peers whatever can manifest in some rather sad effects on a personal level regarding all kinds of matters Nature vs nuture thing ,, bad environment , bad expectations for outcomes.
You most likely may have been very lucky to have gotten to where you are in life. Normal those early kind of influences can have catastrophic outcomes . You have a family you have limitations but you apparently have your IQ intact .
Often people do not consider the actual mental / emotional interworkings of someone with a high IQ , I think . They ecpect them to handle everything in their lives . Not considering outcome of emotional stressors on that same mentality
Btw , once again Thank you for considering staying on this site just btw. :D


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13 Aug 2025, 8:51 am

The trigger is either major life changes or you're missing a particular detail that had led to the decline -- do you have high alexithymia traits?


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13 Aug 2025, 9:32 am

Edna3362 wrote:
do you have high alexithymia traits?


Above average.


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13 Aug 2025, 10:17 am

I started off as NT and magically transformed into an Aspie over night when I was precisely 4 years and 5 months.


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13 Aug 2025, 10:26 am

Jakki wrote:
The intellectual thing, I can identify with.. Your early step downs in function and sociological things maybe directly relate to possible psyche issues, consider abuse / neglect of any kind , by peers whatever can manifest in some rather sad effects on a personal level regarding all kinds of matters Nature vs nuture thing ,, bad environment , bad expectations for outcomes.
You most likely may have been very lucky to have gotten to where you are in life. Normal those early kind of influences can have catastrophic outcomes . You have a family you have limitations but you apparently have your IQ intact .
Often people do not consider the actual mental / emotional interworkings of someone with a high IQ , I think . They ecpect them to handle everything in their lives . Not considering outcome of emotional stressors on that same mentality
Btw , once again Thank you for considering staying on this site just btw. :D


Generally speaking, I don't think people take me very seriously re being highly intelligent but needing quite a lot of support. I have a moderately severe case of adaptive functioning < IQ . I'm the kind of person who can do quite well on a high range IQ test(yes the norms are inflated, but not as much as is claimed) but struggle with a multistep task like keeping my flat clean . Thankfully my granddaughters help with that.


I can be very contradictory re having a high IQ. A mix of boastful , wanting to tell the world what IQ score I got, but ,on the other hand, expecting to be outed as a fraud . To a certain degree it's mood dependent.


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13 Aug 2025, 11:07 am

firemonkey wrote:
Edna3362 wrote:
do you have high alexithymia traits?


Above average.

Had mostly been that way since childhood?

It's possible that you're in some sort of need of emotional processing.
Unprocessed childhood emotions can literally hinder someone into dysfunction and follow all that into adulthood until it's solved.



It's an aspect that I can relate.
Except the only reason I'd knew and figured it out it was unprocessed emotions was because I don't have alexithymia.

And, the timeline is more or less closely parallel to mine even.

Instead of being withdrawn, I was chronically discomfortable around 5.
Likely from my quarrelling parents and starting daycare.

8, got chronically angry. Start not recalling names anymore.
Just the overall frustration over lack of self control and not liking how I react in bullying, moving a home, family quarrels, my own dad went abroad to work (he's still not back since).

14 was my 1st burnout. The decline was sharp. Puberty and newly diagnosed, just frustrated over people's ignorance about it.
Anxiety bad enough to quit school.


My solution was inner work. Which had taken several years of internal figuring.

It can be very tricky (trickier since most guides are to do with discerning emotions) for someone with alexithymia.



Is this even about autism?
Not really. You're technically correct that it's not really autism. At the very least it that alone doesn't tell the whole story.

Yet, it can be a common pattern of burnouts (regressions) and/or trauma based responses (more like unfortunate adaptations in a form of unprocessed emotions than Trauma).

It's a human thing that precedes any neurotype.

Autism itself is just one factor/one layer of that human lens or element of the whole story, as much as any circumstances or situation were involved in this particular aspect of the issue.


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13 Aug 2025, 11:33 am

firemonkey wrote:
Jakki wrote:
The intellectual thing, I can identify with.. Your early step downs in function and sociological things maybe directly relate to possible psyche issues, consider abuse / neglect of any kind , by peers whatever can manifest in some rather sad effects on a personal level regarding all kinds of matters Nature vs nuture thing ,, bad environment , bad expectations for outcomes.
You most likely may have been very lucky to have gotten to where you are in life. Normal those early kind of influences can have catastrophic outcomes . You have a family you have limitations but you apparently have your IQ intact .
Often people do not consider the actual mental / emotional interworkings of someone with a high IQ , I think . They ecpect them to handle everything in their lives . Not considering outcome of emotional stressors on that same mentality
Btw , once again Thank you for considering staying on this site just btw. :D


Generally speaking, I don't think people take me very seriously re being highly intelligent but needing quite a lot of support. I have a moderately severe case of adaptive functioning < IQ . I'm the kind of person who can do quite well on a high range IQ test(yes the norms are inflated, but not as much as is claimed) but struggle with a multistep task like keeping my flat clean . Thankfully my granddaughters help with that.


I can be very contradictory re having a high IQ. A mix of boastful , wanting to tell the world what IQ score I got, but ,on the other hand, expecting to be outed as a fraud . To a certain degree it's mood dependent.


Have found for myself , it is not my concern of what people think of my IQ. It took until my 60s to become that confident in what I knew of myself .Which did seem to allow for people to form their own opinions considering my intellect .Which I considered it nice when people commented over the years about how smart ,they thought I was.?
It was much better for me NOT to take this to heart. But rather allow that every individual has their own abilities in intellect. Although I did have many experiences,when contrasted to groups of professionals in certain situations , that I had out performed them . In their own professions, repeatedly . With just pragmatism and alittle knowledge. But no professional training to the point of costing a few to seemingly lose their employment ,or so was informed,by their peers working in different locations. These so called professionals had spent years in schooling and huge amounts of money to get that same training/ education/ degrees. Not bragging but rather factual ( judging by court records). My interest was for justice . not to be competitive.! i do not have any degrees or professional associations,no mensa nothing,not interested. Just me being me.
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One might speculate that your upbringing may constitute reasons for your concepts of being mood dependant.
As you described your being moved about in your early years and subsequent peer interactions . And it does seem rather typical for Aspies having trouble keeping up their surroundings . But honestly , if you consider pragmatically
often , what is the great benefit of keeping ones flat clean,If you are not entertaining visitors. What is the point?
But on the otherhand if your environment reflects more organization. It may ? possibly allow for more clarity of thought and more expediance in sorting things around your space.When you need them.Am similiar in my messes but I have found as you age it is physically safer to have things in their place. In a shop space. You might find the item or tool you need in a quicker manner. Thus saving time and potentially reducing frustration. In finding what you need when you need it , a imminently smoother flow in your activities . Time savings also. A cleaner environment does allow one to be more socially possibly, As smaller , less concerned, worry , if in some wild inspired moment you consider the possibility of having a new person visit. It opens the mind to more personal possibilities. In the back of your mind the worry of the appearance of your flat, would not weigh in on your decisions in life . If you reduce the little concerns in life consistently. Then the bigger ones become easier to cope with. (Am Just offering these thoughts as potential considerations)


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13 Aug 2025, 12:14 pm

^ Thank you for the advice.


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15 Aug 2025, 1:53 pm

I don't if I ever had the ability to function alike NTs. Not since I remember.



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15 Aug 2025, 5:40 pm

I had to function in my own world away from the NT world. but unlike the OP I was not especially good at taking tests measuring cognitive ability.



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16 Aug 2025, 11:17 am

auntblabby wrote:
I had to function in my own world away from the NT world. but unlike the OP I was not especially good at taking tests measuring cognitive ability.


You probably have better daily living skills than me.


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16 Aug 2025, 10:15 pm

I was at my worst when I was 10. I was going through puberty and I felt that people had very high expectations of me. I had my first brush with depression at the age of 15 and I was suicidal. I was hit in the head by a baseball at the age of 16 and I started acting and dressing like a hippie. I was so bored in the special needs college course that I was in, that I became obsessed with London and started daydreaming. I had my first major breakdown at the age of 23, the Spring of 1998. I had another one in the September of 2009 and another in the January of 2016. It was in the January of 2016 that I decided I wasn't going to please my family any more.


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17 Aug 2025, 12:16 am

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I was at my worst when I was 10. I was going through puberty and I felt that people had very high expectations of me. I had my first brush with depression at the age of 15 and I was suicidal. I was hit in the head by a baseball at the age of 16 and I started acting and dressing like a hippie. I was so bored in the special needs college course that I was in, that I became obsessed with London and started daydreaming. I had my first major breakdown at the age of 23, the Spring of 1998. I had another one in the September of 2009 and another in the January of 2016. It was in the January of 2016 that I decided I wasn't going to please my family any more.


Thank you for making it throught that . And still being able to be here on this site. :)


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