How 'creepy' the use of the word creepy can be...

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While I get that the word has a practical use and meaning in specific social safety contexts, ie. people who don't know each other, need to fill-in-the-blank from very limited information, it floored me what was in the Epstein files with respect to Epstein recruiters calling Michael Saylor 'creepy' for not being 'blackmail-able'. Sure, she failed the task of corrupting him so she had to complain about it and make sure people knew it wasn't just her poor performance, but that something's 'wrong' with Michael Saylor. Still, that seemed like it was the perfect inversion of what the term 'creepy' applies to, at least until I look at the proposed practical definition that seems to just mean 'Not 100% socially synced'.

While I've got my own concerns about Microstrategy / Strategy, I hadn't really heard the word 'creepy' being applied to 'can't be manipulated' but Sam Vaknin had a discussion on his channel about 'Why Some People are Instantly Disliked'. That drew on a thread I've been seeing that what people mean by it, while sometimes relating to safety, has more to do with a person having an internal compass rather than having their reality 'purely on the outside'. I think about how 'creepy' it was considered when I was growing up and a guy laughed to himself or talked to himself (to clarify - I was smart enough not to do that precisely because I saw how other people reacted to other people doing it, it was taken as something adjacent to proof that you were Hannibal Lecter).

What's scary about all of that - it's like society has a standard protocol where it's deemed perfectly reasonable for people to demand that you forfeit internal autonomy.

Under that definition a saint would be creepy. A philosopher would be creepy. A regular meditator would be creepy... at least unless they wore all of the right external trappings to convey station and placed most of their effort into being 'legible' rather than polite but authentic, otherwise you're a likely SA'ist.

Let it sink in how messed up that is, especially when it's people making birds nests of their lives and demanding that they should be able to do the same for yours (ie. nullify the product of your good choices because you're lower on the social hierarchy therefor undeserving of autonomy).

Am I the only one who sees it this way?

Perhaps those tendencies are only 'creepy' in certain spheres. Think of who's making that judgment call and what they consider not creepy.

Outside of the truly bizarre situation with respect to Epstein and associates the place where I've seen this inversion of use, just printed on their psychology, are the people out there who behave like if you aren't just like them in every way you're inferior to them, and then go so far as deliberately inflicting social consequences, bullying, or doing reputational damage in a group. I was talking Kegan stages in some other threads and this amounts to people living in childhood concrete operational mode or having completely outward-determined selfhood where they need the people around them to reflect back who they are to have any idea who they are.

I didn't realize you went to my high school.

Although it seemed like people were more tolerant the last two years I was there. Not just of me, but weirdness in general. The 'weird kids' seemed better adjusted/integrated too.

I wonder how much that outward-determined selfhood you refer to is rooted in rigid social expectations.

I'd say any environment that makes it anything like a survival requirement clearly doesn't help.

side eyeing the topic, and also
connecting the (creepy) victimhood complot to corporate investors empathy signalling

i can't stand the idolisation of victimhood,
also how did it become a thing for "men" to do??
- a whining man, in real life/relation is a blaming man, and a blaming man can justify anything,
inmyhumbleexperience


going on too much? do i need more opinions?

- "Are We Obsessed with Victimhood? | René Girard
Why do we care so much about the victims in our world today? Where does this concern come from? What is when our concern goes too far?"
- "Monetizing Suffering: Victimhood Capitalism (Atlantico Interview), Sam Vaknin
Victimhood pays: identity politics coupled with aggressive entitlement are hijacked by narcissists and psychopaths to further their ..."
- In accepting the ideology of victimization in any form, we choose to live in fear. (https://www.finimondo.org/library/the-i ... zation-381)



(why do i always ad more? more things come up when slow writing,)
i hated the pet-signalling of the early two-thousands msm, a hardly disguised chemical-pharmaceutical propaganda of oversentimentalised 'empathy' (humanisation)
then came the bee-empathy, for a fashionable while (the internet hivemind social media)
coincidental our 'empathy' is focused (deliberately) on domesticated beings that are already conditionned

and the good old magic of taking some form of dependency pill to cure whatever has to be cured (fixing the symptoms)