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05 Dec 2007, 5:05 am

It's the 5th of December today and it's the Nederlands/Dutch Christmas! We woke up pretty early and had lots of sweets and fun, I even got some wee presents too! :) I hope other Nederlands people out there had a lovely Sinter Klaas too! :D


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05 Dec 2007, 7:26 am

Happy Sinter Klass :D



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05 Dec 2007, 10:24 am

Merry Sinter Klaas mightyzebra! :)



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05 Dec 2007, 10:49 am

Happy Sinter Klaas!


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05 Dec 2007, 10:57 am

Happy Sinterklaas and a good year!


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05 Dec 2007, 1:01 pm

Thank you everyone! :D


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05 Dec 2007, 4:37 pm

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Hope nobody finds blackface offensive (besides me...). :?



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05 Dec 2007, 4:42 pm

Is this Santa's way of shortening the trip on the 24th?

" Well, that's one less country I have to see now, and they're all happy now. whew!"



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05 Dec 2007, 4:59 pm

UncleBeer wrote:

Hope nobody finds blackface offensive (besides me...). :?


wow, didn't realize Europeans were that racist.


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05 Dec 2007, 5:31 pm

Alex, that's a generalization. I got this from Wikipedia, I've read this explanation before at other sources;

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Sinterklaas is assisted by many mischievous helpers with black faces and colourful outfits, modelled after 16th century Spanish clothing. These helpers are called Zwarte Pieten (Black Petes) in Dutch (see below for names in other languages). During the Middle Ages, Zwarte Piet was a name for the devil. Having triumphed over evil, it was said that on Saint Nicholas' eve, the devil was shackled and made his slave. Although the character of Black Pete later came to acquire racial connotations, his origins were in the devil figure. This racialisation is reflected in the reworking of the characters' mythos. From about 1850, Pete was said to be an imported African servant of Saint Nicholas. Today however, a more politically correct explanation is given: Pete's face is said to be "black from soot" (as Pete has to climb down chimneys to deliver his gifts). Nevertheless, the tradition has been accused of being racist, and attempts have been made to introduce Gekleurde Pieten (Coloured Petes), who are coloured blue, red, etc., instead of black. This phenomenon of "Coloured Petes" was introduced nationally in 2006. The explanation given for this was that "Sinterklaas passed through a rainbow with his boat".[2] This effort was widely criticized in the media.[citation needed]

Traditionally Saint Nicholas only had one helper, whose name varied wildly. "Piet" or "Pieter", the name in use now, can be traced back to a book from 1891[3]. The idea that Sinterklaas has not one but many helpers was introduced by Canadian soldiers who had liberated the Netherlands during World War II and helped organise the first post-war Sinterklaas celebration.[citation needed]

In other regions where Sinterklaas is celebrated, like southern Belgium or Northern France, Saint Nicholas has different companions.



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06 Dec 2007, 1:18 am

KimJ said Wikipedia wrote:
... an imported African servant ...

That's about the best spin that can be put on the concept of "slave". :?



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06 Dec 2007, 1:54 am

Yeah, the sources cite "middle ages" but all documentation of Black Pete originates in 1845-50, as far as I can tell. We know the Dutch were "importing" Africans in the 16th century so there is some missing published accounts. (If we are to believe that Black Pete referred to "the Devil" before referring to African slaves) Unless these sources are missing something that hasn't been translated.



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06 Dec 2007, 1:59 am

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qy85J0ZCWVU[/youtube]

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06 Dec 2007, 5:14 am

I'm sorry this has now turned into a confused discussion thinking that the Nederlands are racist. Oh and I should have explained - it isn't Santa Claus, it's Saint Nicholas.


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02 Dec 2008, 11:37 am

HAPPY SINTERKLAAS!!

Veel plezier met Sinterklaas!
Have a great time during Sinterklaas!


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