Oppositional Defiant Disorder?

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Has anyone ever heard of it? Up until I was diagnosed several months ago I had never heard of such a thing. In fact when it was mentioned I remember going “WTF?!”

I found some info online although none that really go in depth. I don’t seem to fit some of the symptoms though as I don’t.... excessively arguing with adults, or refuse to comply with requests and rules.

Although some of the other symptoms do fit me. I also do trust/like the psychiatrist who diagnosed me, as she was the one that figured out I had Aspergers. Plus it is mentioned that people with ODD often suffer from other disorders.

Really.. I’m just curious if anyone here has it or no someone that has it. If so, what is it like in your case or how does in manifest itself in your behavior?

i was misdiagnosed with that also, they said odd goes away into adulthood though and yet i still have it lol, guess it wasnt odd lol.




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I've always been a rebel, breaking all the rules and generally being defiant but I don't actually enjoy annoying others or blaming them for stuff, pointing out mistakes etc so I guess I don't really fit with the symptomps...

I have heard of it. I knew an aspie who had it and boy was he an abuser. He was manipulative and a bully. He fought with his mother, threatened her, hit her, broke things to get his way and he also went and bullied other kids and his teachers all for control. He also bullied my brothers behind my back and I never even knew about it.

He also did not listen to his mother or anyone else when they tell him to do something or not do things.

They told me my oldest (21)had that when he was a kid.....I think its just a term they came up with to say instead of "you're kid is a rotton brat".

Oh, I know. They're not even being creative anymore. Next it will just be "annoying to adults disorder". Or "staying up past bedtime disorder".

This does sort of sound like something they made up to explain argumentative little sods. It also occurs to me that it demonises defiance in every sense, and suggests that blind obedience is the only thing chlidren should do.

After all, authority figures are not always right.

Oh yes, I know all about that. It's usually a diagnosis youth get. I am pretty sure I had that but was never officially diagnosed with it. Anyone who has it is really hard to get along with and acts like what most say "a spoiled brat" but it's a genuine disorder. Under stress whoever has it yells, defies, cusses, gets stubborn and refuses to do what they are told. They also oppose, argue, talk back, fight. I think I still have tinges of it now and that's why I argue so much. Not the easiest person to get along with at times. I acted just like a spoiled rotten brat and I got in sooooooo much trouble, believe me! Not fun!! !

Kids are supposed to do what their parent (in my case- mother) tell them but with this disorder I hardly ever did. My knee jerk reaction was to defy and say "No", "I am not doing it." and throw fits. It's really rough on anyone who told me what to do but, for some reason, I could not stop the reaction and get out of that stubborn frame of mind. I couldn't stop being so defiant. It's like OCD, when you just cannot stop. My mother just assumed I was spoiled.

Funny.. I was told I had it at 22 which is odd seing how it seems kids outgrow it.


I was never really spoiled as a child or now. Nor was a bully. I did throw tantrums.... although often times it wasn't because I wanted something. I'd get so frusterated and often times I'd just scream amd smash my head on objects/walls.

Though a couple of the posts have hinted at real instances of a kind of disorder of this sort that borders on sociopathy, I worry about the potential for the abuse of diagnosis as well. As others have said, it seems like it could prove to be a convenient way to make defiance not only frowned upon, but seen as diseased, along with running around, being flighty and otherwise acting like... well, a child. And just as a decade or so after the AD(H)D craze, adults are ironically lamenting the sedentary lifestyles of those children who they couldn't stand when they were running around like mad, I think if Oppositional Defiance Disorder catches on with the parenting and psychiatric community to the same degree, a little while from now we'll hear those same sorts of complaints because, mysteriously, children and adolescents now accept everything at face value and don't bother with a little thing called critical thinking (...if this isn't already true, but that's another story).

Psychiatric diagnoses and treatments should be used to deal with major disruptive and problematic disorders.... the kinds of cases that Spokane_Girl was talking about. Unfortunately, it seems they're too often used to "fix" mere inconveniences so parents and other adults don't have to deal with someone on an individual basis who deviates from their opinions about what children should be and act like, who weren't prepared in becoming a parent or educator for the event that reality would not live up to their expectations. From what's been talked about in the thread, and past mentions of the disorder elsewhere, it really does feel like this could easily become a catch-all for any old thing that an adult finds annoying about a kid, and that creates a whole slew of issues.

I've seen ODD at camp and in schools. IMO most kids with it are just pricks resultant of bad parenting. Then there is the really hardcore ODD kids who clearly have issues.

There an observed progression from ODD to CD (conduct disorder) to ASPD (anti-social personality disorder). Not to commen but does happen. Also, this progression starts in adulthood, so no worries to adults.

I think all kids are defiant and argumentative. They like to test rules to see how much they can get away with, they don't always obey, they do argue with adults but no child tries to get their way with using violence and bullying grown ups.

I think that is the different between ODD and normal kids. Remember The Dev-Man I described in my last post. His name was Devin but I like calling him "The Dev-Man" because he is bad. I dunno if he still is, I haven't seen him in 6 1/2 years.

There is a difference . Yes normal kids do show those symptoms but some show them more than others so that's when it becomes a disorder.



http://addadhdadvances.com/ODD.html



There is even the ODD screening test and it shows you how often they have them. It's actually a checklist for your child about rather they have that symptom or not.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition ... t_disorder

ODD is much, much worse than just normal acting out. You definitely know when someone has ODD. It goes beyond what's normal. It really caused me a lot of problems and significantly impacted my childhood. It's that serious. It can turn into something worse too. Conduct Disorder can get you into serious trouble with the law. Antisocial Personality Disorder aint no piece of cake either:P

I was diagnosed ODD, but it was a misdiagnosis because I did not react with automatic "no" and tantrum unless the request involved either a sensory fear (like a wet dishrag) or something I didn't want to do because it seemed overwhelming, like cleaning a room. Given something I was able to do that didn't feel horrible to me, I was about like a normal kid--grumble, complain, eventually do. Sometimes even without the 'grumble, complain' part. (Hey, I didn't like chores... what kid does?)

I remember that the few adults in my life who really respected me--my grandfather, a Sunday school teacher, one or two teachers--got almost unquestioning obedience, because generally they tended to explain their rules, and didn't have to make me wash dishes or take baths. (Yeah, I had a thing about water when I was a kid. How'd you guess?) It was like I could trust them because I knew they saw me as someone who was important and worthwhile to spend time with.

ODD... would be more like being stuck in 'terrible twos' phase... automatically saying "no", as though to say yes would mean giving your identity away...

I never had it, in fact I was the opposite, I was TOO obedient which ended up making me resentful and angry later in life.. I guess I felt this way mostly about myself for not having enough guts to even fight back sometimes. But I am pretty sure my nephew has it.. you ask him to say hi to someone he'll scream out NO!! And sometimes goes into a full blown tantrum. I am pretty sure my sister in law had it as a kid too Not going to go into much detail there... but if thats the case the apple sure doesn't fall from the tree.