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Do you have red hair in your family?
I have red hair 14%  14%  [ 15 ]
Two or more first degree relatives (parents, children or siblings) have red hair, but not me 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
One first degree relative has red hair, but not me 7%  7%  [ 8 ]
Two of more second degree (uncles, aunts, nephews, nieces, grandparents, grandchildren, half-siblings) have red hair, but not me or any first degree relatives 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
One second degree relative has red hair, but me or any first degree relatives 6%  6%  [ 6 ]
Two or more third degree relatives (great-parents, great-grandchildren, first cousins) have red hair, but not me or any first or second degree relatives 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
One third-degree relative has red hair, but not me or any first or second degree relatives 6%  6%  [ 7 ]
Two or more relatives not listed above have red hair but not anyone else in my family 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
One relative not listed above has red hair but anyone else in my family 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I do not know of any red hair in my family 50%  50%  [ 54 ]
Results please............ 7%  7%  [ 8 ]
Total votes : 109

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19 Mar 2012, 8:59 am

Nope, I'm Asian. Chinese with some Turk blood and ashk Jew (perhaps) blended in.


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04 Jun 2012, 7:57 pm

Hmmm.... People with red hair tend to have the lightest skin. Light skin burns very easily and often does not tan. If you have skin that burns and rarely tans you are going to wear lots of sunscreen. Sunscreen blocks the production of vitamin D. Could this be more evidence that vitamin D deficiency, maybe of mothers during pregnancy or children in their youth, causes autism?



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04 Jun 2012, 8:13 pm

jamieevren1210 wrote:
Nope, I'm Asian. Chinese with some Turk blood and ashk Jew (perhaps) blended in.



My mother is dutch and therefore white with some jewish and a hint of asian blood and my father is West African.
The strange thing is that I look like a regular black female. I have to tell people I'm mixed race. They can't see it beacause I'm quite dark coloured for a mixed raced person. That's ok with me though, the darker the better!



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04 Jun 2012, 11:31 pm

The wikipedia article on red hair is quite good and would answer some of the questions here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair

Wikipedia states that only 1-2% of the general population has red hair, so our informal survey here is showing a much higher percentage of red heads than the general population which I find interesting. The country with the highest percentage of red heads in the world is Scotland and they only have 13% (40% are carriers of the recessive allele). We aren't far off that mark.

The red hair allele is recessive so in order to have red hair you have to receive a red hair allele from both parents, not just one. However, neither parent has to have red hair but both have to be carriers of the recessive gene.

It is very interesting too the connection of red heads to pain sensitivity as this is supposed to be another common trait of aspies.

The Neanderthals are thought to have inter-bred with Homo sapiens soon after they migrated from Africa into Europe and Asia. I found the discussion of the various cultures (not just northern European cultures) that have red hair now and in their histories.

I wanted to also mention that there is evidence that Neanderthals had about the same ratio of right-handedness to left-handedness as Homo sapiens do today (9:1 if I remember correctly) and I don't think it is linked to the same genes causing red hair, fair skin, light eyes, etc. The evidence for the same ratio was compelling... it was from a study on how Neanderthal meat tools were used.



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05 Jun 2012, 5:39 am

anomy wrote:
The wikipedia article on red hair is quite good and would answer some of the questions here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair

Wikipedia states that only 1-2% of the general population has red hair, so our informal survey here is showing a much higher percentage of red heads than the general population which I find interesting. The country with the highest percentage of red heads in the world is Scotland and they only have 13% (40% are carriers of the recessive allele). We aren't far off that mark.

The red hair allele is recessive so in order to have red hair you have to receive a red hair allele from both parents, not just one. However, neither parent has to have red hair but both have to be carriers of the recessive gene.

It is very interesting too the connection of red heads to pain sensitivity as this is supposed to be another common trait of aspies.

The Neanderthals are thought to have inter-bred with Homo sapiens soon after they migrated from Africa into Europe and Asia. I found the discussion of the various cultures (not just northern European cultures) that have red hair now and in their histories.

I wanted to also mention that there is evidence that Neanderthals had about the same ratio of right-handedness to left-handedness as Homo sapiens do today (9:1 if I remember correctly) and I don't think it is linked to the same genes causing red hair, fair skin, light eyes, etc. The evidence for the same ratio was compelling... it was from a study on how Neanderthal meat tools were used.


Contrary to homo sapiens the Neanderthals did not move from Africa to the rest of the world. The origin of Neanderthals lies in Europe.

Do you have any scientifical proof of all that "red hair stuff" you seem to be so adamant about?



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05 Jun 2012, 12:59 pm

pokerface wrote:
anomy wrote:
The wikipedia article on red hair is quite good and would answer some of the questions here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair

Wikipedia states that only 1-2% of the general population has red hair, so our informal survey here is showing a much higher percentage of red heads than the general population which I find interesting. The country with the highest percentage of red heads in the world is Scotland and they only have 13% (40% are carriers of the recessive allele). We aren't far off that mark.

The red hair allele is recessive so in order to have red hair you have to receive a red hair allele from both parents, not just one. However, neither parent has to have red hair but both have to be carriers of the recessive gene.

It is very interesting too the connection of red heads to pain sensitivity as this is supposed to be another common trait of aspies.

The Neanderthals are thought to have inter-bred with Homo sapiens soon after they migrated from Africa into Europe and Asia. I found the discussion of the various cultures (not just northern European cultures) that have red hair now and in their histories.

I wanted to also mention that there is evidence that Neanderthals had about the same ratio of right-handedness to left-handedness as Homo sapiens do today (9:1 if I remember correctly) and I don't think it is linked to the same genes causing red hair, fair skin, light eyes, etc. The evidence for the same ratio was compelling... it was from a study on how Neanderthal meat tools were used.


Contrary to homo sapiens the Neanderthals did not move from Africa to the rest of the world. The origin of Neanderthals lies in Europe.

Do you have any scientifical proof of all that "red hair stuff" that you seem to be so adamant about?


Yes, it was the Homo sapiens who moved out of Africa, not the Neanderthals... that is what I meant.

If you are referring to the red hair stats, the wikipedia article gives this and I have seen similar stats many other times. Regarding the genetics, this is very well known and studied. Just google it and you'll come up with lots of references if you are interested.

At any rate, it seems those who have responded to this poll have a much higher than average percentage of red hair. I find that very interesting!



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05 Jun 2012, 8:45 pm

I am African American



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05 Nov 2012, 8:05 pm

As a red-head I find this survey interesting... but without a control study the results seem meaningless to me.

The persons who participated were not random. Answering the survey was voluntary, i.e., some people took the time to stop by and answer, others passed it by, figuring they had better ways to spend their time. Is it not reasonable to assume that a red-head, or relative of a red-head, would be more likely to CARE, more likely to take part in the study?

I would have to argue that some, if not all, the higher fraction of red-heads recorded is simply because the survey question was more attractive to red-headed people, as it would be on a website unrelated to autism.



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05 Nov 2012, 8:26 pm

Just for fun:

My eldest son is a real red head. He was born with course, curly red hair that has never changed. Red beard and hairy red legs and arms.
My youngest son has red highlights but grows a red beard. My dad had dark brown hair but grows a red beard. My brother is blond and has a lot of red in his beard. I am blonde but have all sorts of highlights and people have argued over whether I am a red head or a blonde.

I had a first cousin with hair as red as my son's. My maternal great-grandmothers both had red hair - it is the deep auburn red. Many of my great aunts and uncles on both sides had red hair and children in their lines with red hair (they had big families).



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05 Nov 2012, 10:36 pm

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Ah, didn't know a gene was found.

However, I did know that red hair, light skin, freckles all tend to get bundled together. I didn't say that particular bundle was common around the world, just that the chemical to make hair the color "red" exists in almost everyone. So is this thread not really about hair color, but more about the red hair/fair skin/freckles sort of phenotype? I read it as just being about hair.


Some people believe that the gene that causes red hair may coexist with genes that cause autism and that both came from Neanderthals.. Interestingly enough red hair and left-handedness quite often occur together as well.


WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

It was a different mutation. I posted this before. It's due to convergent evolution. And, this was proven a long time ago.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2 ... -redheads/

Or, for a more fun way to look at it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/1 ... 65516.html

Don't forget, genetics and social evolution are two of MY special interests.

As I've posted before, again and again, there is currently zero proof, we have interbred in a way that neanderthal genes are in us. However, there is evidence that we did not in all sorts of lack of genes present right now. Read below for the rest. The amount of "If this, and this, and this, and this, and this..." becomes staggeringly impossible when you lay it all out. Here it is: (http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4990098.html ):

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I can't even get what the OP was getting at. I couldn't make a theory out of it.

But, without going on a ridiculous diatribe, there is no proof present that there is ANY neanderthal DNA present in humans. If you read up on the DNA, what you have is a set of markers (1-4% of the 0.5% different) which have a presence only in Europeans and Neanderthals. That's all that's been proven. And, if you didn't know, that sort of thing can come from many ways, such as interbreeding, natural selection (since we were occupying the identical geographic area) or having a common ancestor. The media just jumped on the first theory since it was so dramatic.

Remember,

We both have red hair. Oh, wait, those were different mutations.
We both have fair skin. Oh, wait, those were different mutations.

Oh wait, we have ZERO mtDNA in common with them and ZERO Y-DNA in common with them. Not a person on the planet has a single common one with them. Not one.

And, that doesn't get into the real problems, like they may have not been able to even talk. There is a good chance we had different numbers of chromosomes, making hybrid children infertile (like mules), and the largest one, which is that we lived in tribes back then and killed those who crossed our boundaries. If you don't know or understand that, pull out some books on tribal behavior and evolutionary psychology. I'm telling you what's academic common knowledge. And, not only did we do that, and current tribes, as well, but chimps do it, on top of it. Fact. It was one big happy family inside the tribe, but if you weren't? You had to get the hell away. This is where xenophobia comes from. Therefore, that meant that the hybrid children (which have roughly been proven to exist) were never raised inside human tribes, and either died with their immediate family at some point later on, or within the Neanderthal tribes. In both cases, their genes wouldn't have been passed on to us.

In my personal opinion, they went extinct was primarily due to a change of climate and their hunting method. Neanderthals were sort of strong and stocky, well made for "ambush" style hunting, which is what works very well in heavy wooded, semi-cool forests. But, the climate and geography changed, making the forests dwindle and the food to stop coming in. And, after a while they had not enough to really feed themselves. At that point, their bodies probably shut down, like human women stop ovulating, and they began having less and less Neanderthal children. Generation after generation this occurred until they were gone. Of course, we thrived in this, since we were primarily strategic spear hunters, having come from East Africa, where much of it was open plains. Our hunting strategy (getting them from a long distance) worked well in the changed climate, where there were less forests, but more open areas. But, I digress.

Asperger's and Autism are, contrary to what many believe, human mutations that are actually advanced traits. And, the seem to have happened within the last 12,000 years or so, well after the Neanderthals went extinct. As I pointed out in another thread, I am fairly confident it had a dramatic effect on our 'great leap forward." At the time we both co-existed, things were quite basic, hunting and gathering, and that was all it was for both of us.

As another example... http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/ ... erbreeding

Mind you, in modern context, if we found a lone sole hiding out in the wilderness in Siberia, I'd consider him a brother to us humans. They're like distant cousins to us. And, they've gotten a bad rap. I'm in awe of the fact that they buried their dead and am sure they were a very loving sort (at least among themselves). But, they're not us.


P.S. I've done personal DNA analysis and have 1/15 redhead recessive:

Reference Data: Your data includes 15 SNPs on gene MC1R, which is on chromosome 16.

Gene Position SNP Versions Genotypes
MC1R 89986154 rs885479 A or G AG

Sorry, if I'm being a bit harsh. You know how our special interests get to us! I don't mean any harm. I love your vigor! :)



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05 Nov 2012, 11:58 pm

I'm brunette. My brother has kind of gingery hair, but I wouldn't call it red, so I said "no one in my family...".

What does the study say about the fully ethnic Chinese, Black, etc people with autism who almost certainly don't have red hair in their family?


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06 Nov 2012, 12:44 pm

I have met more non-Autistics with red hair, and I have met no Autistics with red hair at all.


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06 Nov 2012, 7:52 pm

My sister and I both have brown hair and my mom has black hair that's slowly turning gray.


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06 Nov 2012, 8:40 pm

My dad has a red and white and brown beard and some red um, arm hair. His head hair is dark brown streaked w/ grey. My uncle has red hair. My brother's hair was strawberry blond as a baby, but there is no trace of red in his hair now. That is it as far as I know.


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06 Nov 2012, 11:30 pm

The only redhead I am aware of in my family is my great-grandfather on my paternal grandmother's side. Most everybody on my dad's side is blonde or light brown. I'm the only true brunette of all the cousins on my dad's side, although most of them that were born blonde have gone dark as they have gotten older.

On Mom's side there are a lot of dark brunettes with very little in the way of red highlights. So no, I guess the "red hair equals autism" doesn't really work in my family. Then again, maybe it does...I'm not officially diagnosed as Asperger's yet. So even though I have about a billion of the traits necessary for diagnosis, maybe I'm not.



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07 Nov 2012, 12:35 am

I have Auburn hair. I don't know if I should say yes or not. INTERESTINGLY Neither of my parents have any red in their hair. However I have a great grandparent, (Or possibly great great...) that had bright red hair.


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