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I did not notice the mug, as I turned away during that shot, thinking there were photos of dead people... So if she knows about Wrong Planet, she can't be completely clueless about autism...
I must say Linder is my favorite; he was awesome this week. I think he is the new Kramer.
I'd be a little bit more polite about it, but that's something I would say.
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I did not notice the mug, as I turned away during that shot, thinking there were photos of dead people... So if she knows about Wrong Planet, she can't be completely clueless about autism...
I must say Linder is my favorite; he was awesome this week. I think he is the new Kramer.
I'd be a little bit more polite about it, but that's something I would say.
Excuse me, I've simply given an honest and balanced opinion. If you're looking for "impolite" commentary, you can find far better examples elsewhere.
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I binge-watched all the past episodes yesterday. Once I started, I had to watch them all and I eagerly anticipate seeing the rest of the story. I think that they needed to be a little obvious to appeal to a large audience. I feel sure that a lot of people accept a quirky character without trying to see if she fits a diagnosis. I hadn't thought about it before skimming this thread, but now I look forward to the reveal.
I live in Texas, so I had heard about the murders of women in Juarez. I feel a bit annoyed at Amnesty International and other social justice organizations for not making such heinous crimes more widely known. I really didn't understand the scale of this massacre until I researched it a little to find out if the show had exagerrated. It has not exaggerated at all. I guess I'll take further discussion of reality over to the politics board.
tl;dr Great show, important issues
I agree that it's so good they took this true, real life horrible issue that is NOT being given much attention and built a great drama around it. With truth at your core you have a much stronger show.
I also binge watched all of the episodes and last night did something totally uncharacteristic (never done before) - I rewatched them all. One of my 'things' is just no patience to rewatch dramas - even ones I really like. Once I know what happens I can't stand to sit through them again. For some reason this one is different. I have watched all of them twice now and one of them three times.
Can't wait for Wednesday!
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Make sure you watch tonight! I make my first appearance on the show.
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And a speaking part, too! Nice!
That means SAG/Aftra, doesn't it? Way cool.
Another fantastic episode. I was very empressed with Eva's traumatised look--so different than that lively face we saw at the ranch...
There is no part of this that is not working well. And I like the way they are playing Ray Ray--so irritating you are just hoping something terrible silences him soon (or is that just me?)
I thought Fausto's fireplace over Marco's shoulder was almost too heavy handed. As if we needed to be told this man is already in hell by putting flames behind him. Also the telegraphing of his intent to use that knife, up close and personal, was so strong that I wonder if that is not a set up for a twist of some kind (other than a twist of the knife.)
One thing I really liked was the scene with Lyle Lovett-- I forget the characters name for the moment--when he was giving papers for Charlotte to sign with Cesar and Ray at her side. They discussed the sexual politics of the situation so openly--something that almost never happens in real life but was natural in the weird circumstances these characters are in.
The whole exchange between Ray and Charlotte about the sexual component of his encounter with Graciela was so interesting--and the way she put him in his place as an employee, and a less trusted one than Cesar. Added to that the cryptic exchange of hinted, implied detail between the attorney and Charlotte about her invitation to dinner with Fausto... a very rich scene.
And I really like the way Adriana is developing. She may be my favorite character after Sonya. That scene with her mom waiting was terrible to see.
What a fantastic set up for season 2.
And again, nice work, Alex!
I am continually touched by the sensitivity Hank shows Sonya, especially when he notices Sonya is distressed (her subtle stim of rubbing on herself, which is a variant of something I notice I do myself). He always notices and offers fatherly reassurance to her "It's OK, Sonya..."
I don't like the path Marco is going down. I do hope that Sonya is able to deter him from his destructive objective so he doesn't find himself digging his hole any deeper.
I don't like the path Marco is going down. I do hope that Sonya is able to deter him from his destructive objective so he doesn't find himself digging his hole any deeper.
I liked that scene, too. Hank is a good guy. That also showed when he was asking Linder to take off his boots...
Sonya will help Marco get out of it, but not before he goes into deep dark places. Fausto's mansion is just the door to that darkness. But remember when Sonya said she knew he would help---that is her accurate judgment of his character and I predict it will come back [as in, be proven correct] in the next season.
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thanks everyone!
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That means SAG/Aftra, doesn't it? Way cool.
Another fantastic episode. I was very empressed with Eva's traumatised look--so different than that lively face we saw at the ranch...
There is no part of this that is not working well. And I like the way they are playing Ray Ray--so irritating you are just hoping something terrible silences him soon (or is that just me?)
I thought Fausto's fireplace over Marco's shoulder was almost too heavy handed. As if we needed to be told this man is already in hell by putting flames behind him. Also the telegraphing of his intent to use that knife, up close and personal, was so strong that I wonder if that is not a set up for a twist of some kind (other than a twist of the knife.)
One thing I really liked was the scene with Lyle Lovett-- I forget the characters name for the moment--when he was giving papers for Charlotte to sign with Cesar and Ray at her side. They discussed the sexual politics of the situation so openly--something that almost never happens in real life but was natural in the weird circumstances these characters are in.
The whole exchange between Ray and Charlotte about the sexual component of his encounter with Graciela was so interesting--and the way she put him in his place as an employee, and a less trusted one than Cesar. Added to that the cryptic exchange of hinted, implied detail between the attorney and Charlotte about her invitation to dinner with Fausto... a very rich scene.
And I really like the way Adriana is developing. She may be my favorite character after Sonya. That scene with her mom waiting was terrible to see.
What a fantastic set up for season 2.
And again, nice work, Alex!
Ha - it's not just you! They are playing RayRay to be a real jerk and when he gets it, no one will be sad!
This was a great great episode - so much change in Sonya - so much amazing acting with Marco and Sonya.
I'm in a Bridge group of NTs on Facebook and I was surprised to learn that they were all thinking Sonya came to Marco's home with thoughts of having sex with him.
I have explained to them that's not so. Marco is her friend now, he is not being mean and trying to push her away, he is okay with her and trusts her now and that's huge. I told them friends are hard to find and nearly impossible to keep so this is something big. My understanding of the scene was that she came there because she was worried about him and she understood very well (because of her sister) what he was going through and she wanted to express that BUT in true Aspie form, she was awkward about it.
She knows it's customary to talk with friends over a drink. So she goes to his house (perhaps a bit inappropriately as it was late and she was uninvited) and asks to have a drink - which sort of forces the 'drink and a chat' thing - something that is normally organic with NTs. I was surprised that she had a drink but noticed it was just a tiny sip. She expressed what she had in mind and left. The NTs saw sexual chemistry and lingering on her part and I saw typical AS awkwardness.
And then I was afraid for her going out to the car alone because that scene seemed like it was going to be where someone grabbed her or was hiding in the backseat or something. (whew - it wasn't)
I didn't give this scene a second thought but it has generated a LARGE amount of discussion with the NTs. I told them not everything is sexual And those subtle sexual subtexts that they're wanting to be there, are just not really in Sonya's vocabulary.
I believe she's very happy to be friends with Marco (officially) and she is very loyal and protective of that friendship. I also pointed out to them that my only friendships are with men - and they are not in any way flirtatious or sexual (not even as a subtext). I think more logically and deal with them like a man to man friendship.
If Sonya and Marco develop some sort of romance, it will be a disappointment and it will follow along with every other tv drama (yawn). Maybe after 8 seasons or something, if they grow to be very good and solid and secure best friends, maybe then.
Daniel and Adriana are another great relationship that needs no sexual subtext (and has none) - they are male/female but becoming actual friends. I love that this show has the ability to create complex characters that are more like real people instead of cardboard caricatures that just react in the same old way to one another.
Alex, you looked great and sounded great - I wish you would tell us all about your experience! I'd love to hear how it went for you, what the set was like, how you felt, were you overwhelmed, was it one take or more? Was everybody nice? How is it going in general for you to be the consultant on this show? Come on - spill it!
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My mouth hung open with shock when I read this--are they watching a different show?
It was glaringly obvious that the "drink" thing was a formality along the lines of "do you want a glass of water"--
We know what Sonya looks like when she is interested in sex--it really isn't subtle--and this is not it. How can they have so much evidence and not get it?
Is this group on Facebook mostly NT women who read romance novels? I ask this because it seems to me that there is a habit for a certain type of reader to do a very large amount of self projection into this type of story. Could it be that they find Bichir attractive and think that Sonya must, too--and expect the story to play out in such a way that they can project themselves into a relationship between Marco and Sonya?