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14 May 2012, 1:13 pm

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Welcome to the club...hyperlexia is a good sign. Although not recognized by the psychology fraternity as a diagnosis, it automatically means your child will have less problems dealing with alpha-numeric characters at school.


I've also never heard of a hyperlexic kid that never learned to communicate verbally.

Time to send an email to his teacher...


I've never fully understood the difference between dyslexia and hyperlexia, so I just googled the Wikipedia page on it ... actually autism with a verbal communication delay is the norm for hyperlexia! This sounds exactly like my son too. He can read quite well and it's mostly self taught through videos since he doesn't cooperate long enough to be taught as much by me. He reads better than he can communicate verbally. He completely scrambles our names, he calls me and others by his own name, he'll call strangers his name or Mom and Dad....


The way I explain it is that for dyslexia, you can verbally communicate fine but cannot read. Hyperlexia is the opposite - you can read easily but verbal communication is hard.

My son still has trouble with some names. He still thinks his mom's name is his name and his name is Mommy.



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14 May 2012, 1:19 pm

Wreck-Gar wrote:
Washi wrote:
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Welcome to the club...hyperlexia is a good sign. Although not recognized by the psychology fraternity as a diagnosis, it automatically means your child will have less problems dealing with alpha-numeric characters at school.


My son still has trouble with some names. He still thinks his mom's name is his name and his name is Mommy.


Aw.. :) that sounds like Ethan. He's standing next to me right now saying "Hi Ethan! Hi Ethan! Hi Ethan!" Over and over, he'll only stop if I say "Hi Ethan" back or get him to say "Hi Mommy" and follow it up with a "Hi Ethan" ... I don't think he really thinks my name is Ethan, but he's just saying what he wants me to say. If your son sees a picture of his Mom and still identifies her as Mom, it's probably the same. Now he's asking for "shapes and colors", that could be any number of things. Got to go figure out what he wants now. :)



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14 May 2012, 2:13 pm

Washi wrote:
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Welcome to the club...hyperlexia is a good sign. Although not recognized by the psychology fraternity as a diagnosis, it automatically means your child will have less problems dealing with alpha-numeric characters at school.


My son still has trouble with some names. He still thinks his mom's name is his name and his name is Mommy.


Aw.. :) that sounds like Ethan. He's standing next to me right now saying "Hi Ethan! Hi Ethan! Hi Ethan!" Over and over, he'll only stop if I say "Hi Ethan" back or get him to say "Hi Mommy" and follow it up with a "Hi Ethan" ... I don't think he really thinks my name is Ethan, but he's just saying what he wants me to say. If your son sees a picture of his Mom and still identifies her as Mom, it's probably the same. Now he's asking for "shapes and colors", that could be any number of things. Got to go figure out what he wants now. :)


True, he can identify Mom correctly in a picture.



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14 May 2012, 6:12 pm

I think this page http://www.autismkey.com/hyperlexia/ sums it up the best. My son has every single symptom listed. I always considered myself somewhat dyslexic, but I guess I'm really hyperlexic too but not to the extreme, I could read early too ... or is it possible to be a bit of both? Sometimes when I'm writing I scramble or sometimes even omit whole words or sentences that I thought I wrote, I have to read and reread anything I write or it might be full of typos or not make any sense.



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14 May 2012, 7:25 pm

Hi guys,
You are both correct. The verbal communication is what you need to work on. Starts with echolalia - just repeating what we parents say, but they learn to apply the words/sentences to the correct context with time.

two rules of thumb.

- display pictures/or context with words/sentences. i.e. bird is flying or moon is rising - get your child to look out the window and watch as you describe. They get it fairly quickly.

- when they ask something using wrong sentence correct them at each opportunity.

One warning - We made one mistake in that we never corrected use of I vs you...

We used to say "you go get your milk" so she learned it as "you get"...if you don't correct it it becomes imprinted. Now she comes up to us and say "can you go to the park" when she really meant to say "Can I". We correct her now but she still uses "can you". Lots of work to get her to change. The earlier you can imprint the correct usage the better.



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14 May 2012, 7:35 pm

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We used to say "you go get your milk" so she learned it as "you get"...if you don't correct it it becomes imprinted. Now she comes up to us and say "can you go to the park" when she really meant to say "Can I". We correct her now but she still uses "can you". Lots of work to get her to change. The earlier you can imprint the correct usage the better.


Good point. My son is about 50/50 with this sort of thing, I always try to correct him but it's mentally exhausting. :)



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14 May 2012, 7:38 pm

If he wants to go to the playground I think he usually bypasses the whole I/you bit by saying "Lets go to the playground, FOLLOW ME!" (and then he tries to drag us out the door regardless of if it's midnight or pouring rain).



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14 May 2012, 7:47 pm

Oh yeah, and as for a certain other thread that has popped up recently, don't be too hard on yourself - most of the people commenting there haven't got a clue.



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14 May 2012, 9:01 pm

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Oh yeah, and as for a certain other thread that has popped up recently, don't be too hard on yourself - most of the people commenting there haven't got a clue.

I think it's a sensitive issue. I do feel empathy for the kids on this forum who perceive they were abused. I would hate for my own child to feel that way. I know for our family we only smack (if ever) once a week. Yelling maybe once every 3-4 days.

The critical thing is it's always a last resort and done immediately as the incident occurs.



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14 May 2012, 9:08 pm

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If he wants to go to the playground I think he usually bypasses the whole I/you bit by saying "Lets go to the playground, FOLLOW ME!" (and then he tries to drag us out the door regardless of if it's midnight or pouring rain).


My daughter sometimes uses "we" to indicate we all go. She still prefers using her first name rather than "I".



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15 May 2012, 8:18 am

Washi wrote:
I think this page http://www.autismkey.com/hyperlexia/ sums it up the best. My son has every single symptom listed. I always considered myself somewhat dyslexic, but I guess I'm really hyperlexic too but not to the extreme, I could read early too ... or is it possible to be a bit of both? Sometimes when I'm writing I scramble or sometimes even omit whole words or sentences that I thought I wrote, I have to read and reread anything I write or it might be full of typos or not make any sense.


I actually had to go to the resource room for extra help with reading when I was in the first grade. Within maybe six months I was in the top-level reading group.



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15 May 2012, 8:19 am

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Aw.. :) that sounds like Ethan. He's standing next to me right now saying "Hi Ethan! Hi Ethan! Hi Ethan!" Over and over, he'll only stop if I say "Hi Ethan" back or get him to say "Hi Mommy" and follow it up with a "Hi Ethan" ... I don't think he really thinks my name is Ethan, but he's just saying what he wants me to say. If your son sees a picture of his Mom and still identifies her as Mom, it's probably the same. Now he's asking for "shapes and colors", that could be any number of things. Got to go figure out what he wants now. :)


Last night I showed him a picture of himself and he said, "It's music."

Not sure where that came from but he absolutely loves music, singing, ect.



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15 May 2012, 8:20 am

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Oh yeah, and as for a certain other thread that has popped up recently, don't be too hard on yourself - most of the people commenting there haven't got a clue.


Yeah looks like the comments are all coming from 14-year-olds...



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15 May 2012, 8:22 am

Washi wrote:
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We used to say "you go get your milk" so she learned it as "you get"...if you don't correct it it becomes imprinted. Now she comes up to us and say "can you go to the park" when she really meant to say "Can I". We correct her now but she still uses "can you". Lots of work to get her to change. The earlier you can imprint the correct usage the better.


Good point. My son is about 50/50 with this sort of thing, I always try to correct him but it's mentally exhausting. :)


Amazingly, my son actually does use pronouns correctly. I was expecting he'd mix them up but he doesn't seem to be doing that. This is why I started the "suddenly talking" thread a couple of weeks ago.



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17 May 2012, 7:36 am

Nothing much to add, except heres a video I took a few days ago that might amuse you, the tiny figure down the bottom of the slope is my son running around flapping his hands :)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpw62oLL8js[/youtube]



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17 May 2012, 12:51 pm

nostromo wrote:
Nothing much to add, except heres a video I took a few days ago that might amuse you, the tiny figure down the bottom of the slope is my son running around flapping his hands :)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpw62oLL8js[/youtube]


Nice, reminds me that I need to make more videos of my kids!