Youth camp shootings follow Oslo explosion
I hope religion is not the deciding factor in such cases. my guess in this case would be that fame is his 72 virgins. he must know that he's just done a huge disservice to his cause, religious or political or whatever. just my guess though.
Except for the extremely gullible and weak of wit - and we know they are out there - I think the critical factor is not that an incredibly devout person does such a thing because God or guru commands it.
I suspect rather that a nutter who would really like to kill SOMEBODY finds a "cause" that will license him. Of course, sometimes - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman - I am very aware of te case, having spent time in the tower while I was in Texas - you do not NEED a license.
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I hope religion is not the deciding factor in such cases. my guess in this case would be that fame is his 72 virgins. he must know that he's just done a huge disservice to his cause, religious or political or whatever. just my guess though.
Except for the extremely gullible and weak of wit - and we know they are out there - I think the critical factor is not that an incredibly devout person does such a thing because God or guru commands it.
I suspect rather that a nutter who would really like to kill SOMEBODY finds a "cause" that will license him. Of course, sometimes - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman - I am very aware of te case, having spent time in the tower while I was in Texas - you do not NEED a license.
I don't know, I suspect active shooters' motives fall along a spectrum.
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hopefully it will be his fellow white supremacists who'll take care of that.
Why would they?
ruveyn
come on, they have plenty of reasons, starting with the fact that he massacred 95 of his own and made the whole extreme right-wing movement look really bad. I've already seen comments coming from christians and right-wingers who blame his behaviour on him allegedly being a freemason/illuminate and a zionist and not a "true" right-wing/fundamentalist christian and nationalist.
I imagine he has no friends left (given "no true Scotsman" and all that) but he came out of a certain ideological movement and I'd be glad to see them take some responsibility, even if just by making him a prison b***h for 21 years.
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i think the big oppurtunity here is being missed.
Bomb set off then mass shootings? Clearly this guy got the idea from Uwe Boll's movie "Rampage" where the kid sets off a bomb in a government building then goes on the shooting rampage.
This tragedy in norway can be utilized to help with an even bigger tragedy, that Uwe Boll is still making movies. We need to scapegoat Mr. Boll and find way to blame him for the actions of that day.
This way, in the end, those norwegians will have died for a great cause, the rest of the world will no longer be tortured with even the notion Uwe Boll is doing another stupid video game movie and that will make the world a much happier place to live in.
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I suspect rather that a nutter who would really like to kill SOMEBODY finds a "cause" that will license him. Of course, sometimes - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman - I am very aware of te case, having spent time in the tower while I was in Texas - you do not NEED a license.
Whitman had a brain tumor the size of a small melon. That might explain some of his strange behavior.
ruveyn
I hope religion is not the deciding factor in such cases. my guess in this case would be that fame is his 72 virgins. he must know that he's just done a huge disservice to his cause, religious or political or whatever. just my guess though.
Except for the extremely gullible and weak of wit - and we know they are out there - I think the critical factor is not that an incredibly devout person does such a thing because God or guru commands it.
I suspect rather that a nutter who would really like to kill SOMEBODY finds a "cause" that will license him. Of course, sometimes - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman - I am very aware of te case, having spent time in the tower while I was in Texas - you do not NEED a license.
I don't know, I suspect active shooters' motives fall along a spectrum.
I'm sure - ranging from the actually brainwashed through ruveyn's tumor [not IN him, guys, mentioned BY him] to Great Patham knows what.
No. Absolutely not. He was a twisted zero negative, but cannot be written off as insane. He was rational and calculating, no evidence that he was not clearly aware of what he was doing.
The attempts to write him off as a lunatic are usually born out of cultural and political biases, as summed up in this quote:
“Non-Muslim terrorists are mentally unstable, but Muslim terrorists are intellectuals with firm footing in Islamic thought and traditions!”
No. Absolutely not. He was a twisted zero negative, but cannot be written off as insane. He was rational and calculating, no evidence that he was not clearly aware of what he was doing.
The attempts to write him off as a lunatic are usually born out of cultural and political biases, as summed up in this quote:
“Non-Muslim terrorists are mentally unstable, but Muslim terrorists are intellectuals with firm footing in Islamic thought and traditions!”
The definition of "insane" needs work. Obviously.
Referent of "this?"
Refer to the thread topic.
I've witnessed more than one occasion of violent anti-muslim pro-nazi sentiment coming from Scandinavians on certain un-moderated political forums. Apparently some Northern Europeans feel extremely threatened by liberal immigration policy, enough to become violent.
Expatiate, please. What is it to have a moral illness? In the process please provide insight into your understanding of "moral".
When someone chooses to steal, kill, or otherwise injure others, it is rarely a medical condition. Sure, a small percent of criminals are legitimately insane and thus not responsible for their actions. But when a person has some capacity for empathy or compassion, when they have an understanding of right and wrong, but they turn those off to advance a political or economic agenda of theirs, that is generally an ethical issue, not something that can be equated with brain disease. Dehumanizing others is the prime cause of violence IMO.
Expatiate, please. What is it to have a moral illness? In the process please provide insight into your understanding of "moral".
When someone chooses to steal, kill, or otherwise injure others, it is rarely a medical condition. Sure, a small percent of criminals are legitimately insane and thus not responsible for their actions. But when a person has some capacity for empathy or compassion, when they have an understanding of right and wrong, but they turn those off to advance a political or economic agenda of theirs, that is generally an ethical issue, not something that can be equated with brain disease. Dehumanizing others is the prime cause of violence IMO.
Maybe it can be both. An explanation is not necessarily a legitimization. A psychopath may have a physically induced deficiency which causes them to lack any semblance of a conscience. That doesn't make me feel any more forgiving or compassionate towards them.