Do feminist like men?
12 Dec 2014, 1:09 am
Some do and some don't! The ones that don't are bigots themselves and fail to take responsibility for their own actions! The ones that don't even blame men who have nothing to do with their own failures in life! The ones that do try to distance themselves from the ones that don't but end up receiving the same title as the ones that don't! The ones that don't spew out garbage like men are garbage and are all rapists and take pleasure in oppressing women they are subhuman sacks of trash! The ones that do just simply see themselves equal to men and want the equal rights and priviledges of men and want to be known they are just as good as men are and not better! The ones that dont are professional whiners and pretend to be victims of attention to get money and take pleasure in immasculating men and are total misandrists!
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18 Dec 2014, 9:55 am
The way I see it as a male member of the general public is that if there are moderates and extremists - then the moderates need to LOUDLY call out the extremists in public in front of news cameras.
Otherwise a hapless Aspie bloke like me can easily think - "What -you want to exploit, enslave or kill me? Why? what have I ever done to you?". All the MOP has to go on are public statements from prominent Feminist Speakers like Jessica Valenti.
And how are they to know they don't speak for the entire political movement?
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18 Dec 2014, 11:39 am
Otherwise a hapless Aspie bloke like me can easily think - "What -you want to exploit, enslave or kill me? Why? what have I ever done to you?". All the MOP has to go on are public statements from prominent Feminist Speakers like Jessica Valenti.
And how are they to know they don't speak for the entire political movement?
LKL put it very succinctly. I myself would go so far as to say that "feminism" is pretty much dead, and its would-be present-day equivalents, who really embody the SPIRIT of feminism, are more about cooperation between the sexes rather than taking a more militant stance. The public seems to equate "feminism" with that militant faction, a tiny minority, rather than "real feminists" who take a more moderate position. "Real feminists" are going to distance themselves from "feminism" as what the public associates with "feminism" becomes less what it's really all about. Feminists™ will become less and less respected. It would be like equating all of Christianity, the liberal groups along with conservative evangelicals, Catholics, and more/less liberal mainline groups, with Westboro Baptist.
18 Dec 2014, 5:24 pm
They do like men. Hating on the badboy-norm is not hating on all men.
What do you mean by the "badboy norm"? I don't think that the "badboys" that you're thinking of even fit the majority of men rather than just being a stereotype, so I wouldn't call it a "norm". Also, feminists hate patriarchy and male-dominated society, they don't hate men. Those are two different things.
19 Dec 2014, 3:07 am
The ones that don't and hate men are sexist worthless bigoted sacks of s**t! They are the reason why feminism gets a bad rep for those same ones are man haters and sexist misandrists and are totally subhuman sacks of garbage! They do not want equality they want a global matriarchy where every man is killed and castrated or living the rest of his days as a slave! These kinds of thinkers are garbage and I dont give a rats ass if I am labled as a Misoghynist for saying this but someone has to speak up against these pieces of crap if the legitimate feminists refuses to do so! I want gender equality not only for women but for us men as well and I am sick and tired of my male gender being vilified for every god damn thing! I am white too got a problem with that? If soo then piss off your a racist sexist bigot! *drops the mic*
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19 Dec 2014, 10:27 am
Edited because my link didn't work the first time.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/12/does-sexism-hurt-men-laci-green_n_6314888.html
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19 Dec 2014, 12:51 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/12/does-sexism-hurt-men-laci-green_n_6314888.html
It may be better to link to the actual video. Laci Green is a Youtube vlogger:
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19 Dec 2014, 1:18 pm
*picks up the mic*
Well…it's like when I tell my kids about gang violence in our area. In all likelihood we're not going to be affected by gang activity simply because we just aren't a part of that culture. We're above it, in a sense. I'm not saying we COULDN'T be affected, I'm just saying we don't run in those circles, we're not trying to impress gang members, and gang members have no interest in people like us.
What THOSE Feminists™ have to say about me as a man doesn't affect me. I'm not trying to impress them. I don't want anything from them. Let them have the free speech they're due and leave them alone.
What boggles my mind is how there do seem to be men who want to make these women happy, who want to impress them, and quite possibly date and/or fall in love with them. WHY??? Why do you care what they think about you? If it bothers you, don't hang out with them. Ignore them into oblivion. They are trees falling in a forest with no one around to hear. Whether they make sound or not is irrelevant. If she treats you lesser than filth, don't be with her. It's that simple. If she doesn't want to make you a sammich, quit asking!
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19 Dec 2014, 3:10 pm
Otherwise a hapless Aspie bloke like me can easily think - "What -you want to exploit, enslave or kill me? Why? what have I ever done to you?". All the MOP has to go on are public statements from prominent Feminist Speakers like Jessica Valenti.
And how are they to know they don't speak for the entire political movement?
LKL put it very succinctly. I myself would go so far as to say that "feminism" is pretty much dead, and its would-be present-day equivalents, who really embody the SPIRIT of feminism, are more about cooperation between the sexes rather than taking a more militant stance. The public seems to equate "feminism" with that militant faction, a tiny minority, rather than "real feminists" who take a more moderate position. "Real feminists" are going to distance themselves from "feminism" as what the public associates with "feminism" becomes less what it's really all about. Feminists™ will become less and less respected. It would be like equating all of Christianity, the liberal groups along with conservative evangelicals, Catholics, and more/less liberal mainline groups, with Westboro Baptist.
If you have to re-brand yourselves rather than running on your record, that means that you did something really wrong. Could you (or other feminists) name some "real feminists" so that we can have an honest debate about whether they're really moderate?
19 Dec 2014, 4:01 pm
Since I keep hearing about how bad the patriarchy was, let's take a look at one of the most obtrusive, easy-to-stereotype men in history, George S. Patton:
Did he tell men to 'push down their feelings' (as Laci Green suggests)? Nope: "[E]very man is scared in his first battle. If he says he's not, he's a liar... The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared."
Did he expect obsequiousness from subordinates? Nope: "One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious fire fight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at a time like that. He answered, 'Fixing the wire, Sir.' I asked, 'Isn't that a little unhealthy right about now?' He answered, 'Yes Sir, but the Goddamned wire has to be fixed.' I asked, 'Don't those planes strafing the road bother you?' And he answered, 'No, Sir, but you sure as hell do!' Now, there was a real man. A real soldier."
Did he look down on unglamorous jobs? Nope. He continued: " There was a man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty might appear at the time, no matter how great the odds. And you should have seen those trucks on the road to Tunisia. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-bitching roads, never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting all around them all of the time. We got through on good old American guts. Many of those men drove for over forty consecutive hours. These men weren't combat men, but they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it, and in one hell of a way they did it. They were part of a team. Without team effort, without them, the fight would have been lost. All of the links in the chain pulled together and the chain became unbreakable."
Was Patton an anomaly? Nope:
Admiral Nimitz sponsored the restoration of Adm. Togo's flagship from the Battle of Tsushima, one of the most potent symbols of Japanese naval power. Talk about a magnanimous victor.
According to Mrs. Catherine Nimitz, he never wrote an autobiography because he didn't want to further critcize the officers that he'd been forced to relieve of command.
The patriarchs weren't nepotistic, either: Patton's son was killed in Vietnam. The son of the de facto commander at Midway was on a submarine engaged in the battle, and a quarter of submariners died. The son of the Commander in Chief of the Atlantic Fleet was killed in a crash on USS Hornet at Midway.
Was the war "started by old men?" Nope: The men in power ratified the Washington Naval Treaty and passed the Neutrality Act, two of the most forcefully pacifist legislative measures in US history.
Assuming that female leaders will be peaceful, wise and fair just shows that you've never read about Queen Elizabeth I, Empress Dowager Cixi, or Agrippina the Younger.
19 Dec 2014, 4:36 pm
Did he tell men to 'push down their feelings' (as Laci Green suggests)? Nope: "[E]very man is scared in his first battle. If he says he's not, he's a liar... The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared."
Did he expect obsequiousness from subordinates? Nope: "One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious fire fight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at a time like that. He answered, 'Fixing the wire, Sir.' I asked, 'Isn't that a little unhealthy right about now?' He answered, 'Yes Sir, but the Goddamned wire has to be fixed.' I asked, 'Don't those planes strafing the road bother you?' And he answered, 'No, Sir, but you sure as hell do!' Now, there was a real man. A real soldier."
Did he look down on unglamorous jobs? Nope. He continued: " There was a man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty might appear at the time, no matter how great the odds. And you should have seen those trucks on the road to Tunisia. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-bitching roads, never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting all around them all of the time. We got through on good old American guts. Many of those men drove for over forty consecutive hours. These men weren't combat men, but they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it, and in one hell of a way they did it. They were part of a team. Without team effort, without them, the fight would have been lost. All of the links in the chain pulled together and the chain became unbreakable."
Was Patton an anomaly? Nope:
Admiral Nimitz sponsored the restoration of Adm. Togo's flagship from the Battle of Tsushima, one of the most potent symbols of Japanese naval power. Talk about a magnanimous victor.
According to Mrs. Catherine Nimitz, he never wrote an autobiography because he didn't want to further critcize the officers that he'd been forced to relieve of command.
The patriarchs weren't nepotistic, either: Patton's son was killed in Vietnam. The son of the de facto commander at Midway was on a submarine engaged in the battle, and a quarter of submariners died. The son of the Commander in Chief of the Atlantic Fleet was killed in a crash on USS Hornet at Midway.
Was the war "started by old men?" Nope: The men in power ratified the Washington Naval Treaty and passed the Neutrality Act, two of the most forcefully pacifist legislative measures in US history.
Assuming that female leaders will be peaceful, wise and fair just shows that you've never read about Queen Elizabeth I, Empress Dowager Cixi, or Agrippina the Younger.
When did Laci Green mention George S. Patton in that video?
Talking about Patton though, did his acknowledgement of soldiers fear and emotions include the times when he slapped them for having shell shock and calling shell shocked soldiers cowards?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton_slapping_incidents
19 Dec 2014, 5:24 pm
Where did anyone claim that women are more peaceful? I admit that there's a branch of essentialist feminism that basically buys the gender stereotypes and says that 'feminine' values just need to be more accepted, but that's not the version of feminism that I buy into or argue for, nor the radical feminist branch that this thread is arguing against.
