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21 Jan 2010, 7:11 pm

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Impossible, Perfection cannot be objectively defined


Why not?


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21 Jan 2010, 7:57 pm

dddhgg wrote:
MartyMoose wrote:
Impossible, Perfection cannot be objectively defined


Why not?


Perfection is absolute adherence to specific standards. Who can say absolutely what those standards should be?



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21 Jan 2010, 8:56 pm

In my opinion, by how outwardly successful they are and how easily they travel through life.
In all honesty, though, no one's perfect.



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21 Jan 2010, 9:08 pm

pinkbowtiepumps wrote:
In my opinion, by how outwardly successful they are and how easily they travel through life.
In all honesty, though, no one's perfect.


Successful in what way? Financially, intellectually? Who is to say?



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21 Jan 2010, 9:15 pm

dddhgg wrote:
MartyMoose wrote:
Impossible, Perfection cannot be objectively defined


Why not?

My idea of perfect is not your idea of perfect and so on. I might consider qualities in a person to be Ideal which are incompatable with qualities in your ideal. what one person might see as a flaw might be what another person considers to be ideal. perfection by its nature is a subjective concept.



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21 Jan 2010, 9:17 pm

Machaivelli's Prince or Nietsche's Ubermensch are good examples of how perfect qualities to some people are considered abhorrent to others.



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21 Jan 2010, 10:18 pm

One of the illusions many people have is that the world consists of things which they may evaluate in many ways. Actually, the world is made up of events and all events are temporary. Even the long lasting Egyptian pyramids are temporary clumps of stone that are steadily wearing back to dust and gravel. People are events much more temporary and they may attain moments of high possibilities but these are exceedingly temporary. Jesus Christ may seem to be rather exemplary but look at the monstrous horror of Christianity with all its good and frightful accomplishments. It's all temporary.



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22 Jan 2010, 1:01 am

MartyMoose wrote:
My idea of perfect is not your idea of perfect and so on. I might consider qualities in a person to be Ideal which are incompatable with qualities in your ideal. what one person might see as a flaw might be what another person considers to be ideal. perfection by its nature is a subjective concept.

Why couldn't it just be that you are wrong and that I am right on what perfection is?



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22 Jan 2010, 1:04 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
MartyMoose wrote:
My idea of perfect is not your idea of perfect and so on. I might consider qualities in a person to be Ideal which are incompatable with qualities in your ideal. what one person might see as a flaw might be what another person considers to be ideal. perfection by its nature is a subjective concept.

Why couldn't it just be that you are wrong and that I am right on what perfection is?


Life is much more simpler when we believe everyone is wrong but me.


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22 Jan 2010, 1:14 am

Magnus wrote:
Life is much more simpler when we believe everyone is wrong but me.

So, you are saying that not only is it possible that I am the only person that is right, but that Occam's razor tells us to accept the belief that everyone is wrong but me?? AWESOME! :P



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22 Jan 2010, 1:16 am

NO, I said that life is more simple when we (everyone) believes that I am right and they are wrong.

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22 Jan 2010, 2:51 am

My definition of a perfect person resides in the individual realizing him or herself to being imperfect, if that makes any sense.


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22 Jan 2010, 6:54 am

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My definition of a perfect person resides in the individual realizing him or herself to being imperfect, if that makes any sense.


I'm afraid not.



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22 Jan 2010, 4:49 pm

Sand wrote:
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My definition of a perfect person resides in the individual realizing him or herself to being imperfect, if that makes any sense.


I'm afraid not.


What exactly is this person talking about? I don't get it.


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22 Jan 2010, 5:21 pm

d057 wrote:
Sand wrote:
Averick wrote:
My definition of a perfect person resides in the individual realizing him or herself to being imperfect, if that makes any sense.


I'm afraid not.


What exactly is this person talking about? I don't get it.


Kind of like being perfectly (or unquestionably) aware of being imperfect.


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23 Jan 2010, 1:23 pm

leejosepho wrote:
d057 wrote:
Sand wrote:
Averick wrote:
My definition of a perfect person resides in the individual realizing him or herself to being imperfect, if that makes any sense.


I'm afraid not.


What exactly is this person talking about? I don't get it.


Kind of like being perfectly (or unquestionably) aware of being imperfect.


When you stop trying to be perfect, that is, when you realize that you are not perfect and that it is impossible for you to be perfect, you become, in that moment, perfect. To remain perfect you must proceed from that point with unwavering conviction and acceptance of your own imperfection and the futility of any further striving to reach a state of perfection. Thinking you are perfect makes you imperfect. Believing you are imperfect makes you perfect.