09 Feb 2012, 3:42 pm
AngelRho wrote:
pandabear wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
The first Christian churches would accept new members but not baptize them for as much as a year later. Baptism was a very public display and would mark the participant for death. The year-long waiting period was a test not just of the proselyte's faith but to be sure he understood what it all meant. That way, you'd have a chance to drop out without facing persecution. A baptized convert could assure his church he would not back down in the face of opposition to the point of death. And stronger believers make a stronger church.
Have you ever read The Acts of the Apostles? People are being baptized right and left.Yes, but that was before persecution became so widespread. The more established churches in larger cities outside Jerusalem and Judea would have had a greater cause for concern. At least the Jews figured out early on that the acts of persecution they committed against Stephen and his contemporaries appeared to only fuel the movement.
Do you have any references to back up your assertions?
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09 Feb 2012, 4:27 pm
pandabear wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
pandabear wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
The first Christian churches would accept new members but not baptize them for as much as a year later. Baptism was a very public display and would mark the participant for death. The year-long waiting period was a test not just of the proselyte's faith but to be sure he understood what it all meant. That way, you'd have a chance to drop out without facing persecution. A baptized convert could assure his church he would not back down in the face of opposition to the point of death. And stronger believers make a stronger church.
Have you ever read The Acts of the Apostles? People are being baptized right and left.Yes, but that was before persecution became so widespread. The more established churches in larger cities outside Jerusalem and Judea would have had a greater cause for concern. At least the Jews figured out early on that the acts of persecution they committed against Stephen and his contemporaries appeared to only fuel the movement.
Do you have any references to back up your assertions?
I've heard that said before. Here's the first online source I could find, but I'll try find a better reference if I can.
http://www.christian-history.org/baptism.html
09 Feb 2012, 4:42 pm
09 Feb 2012, 5:06 pm
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09 Feb 2012, 6:23 pm
09 Feb 2012, 6:37 pm
pandabear wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
pandabear wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
The first Christian churches would accept new members but not baptize them for as much as a year later. Baptism was a very public display and would mark the participant for death. The year-long waiting period was a test not just of the proselyte's faith but to be sure he understood what it all meant. That way, you'd have a chance to drop out without facing persecution. A baptized convert could assure his church he would not back down in the face of opposition to the point of death. And stronger believers make a stronger church.
Have you ever read The Acts of the Apostles? People are being baptized right and left.Yes, but that was before persecution became so widespread. The more established churches in larger cities outside Jerusalem and Judea would have had a greater cause for concern. At least the Jews figured out early on that the acts of persecution they committed against Stephen and his contemporaries appeared to only fuel the movement.
Do you have any references to back up your assertions?
09 Feb 2012, 6:47 pm
09 Feb 2012, 6:54 pm
DC wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Newt Gingrich likes to accuse President Obama of "being at war with Christians" because of the requirement for health insurance providers to cover contraception.
And, here is a classic example of a failed attempt to smear President Obama
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/ ... christians
And, here is a classic example of a failed attempt to smear President Obama
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/ ... christians
Foooooook!
Are Americans really so self absorbed that they haven't heard of the LRA?!
I really can't believe even some like Limbaugh would ever in a million years attempt to claim solidarity with this group, they make Stalin and Hitler look like saintly benevolent leaders by comparison.
Fooooook in el!
the worst part: that topic (LRA/Limbaugh) came up and a few Christians here defended them...
09 Feb 2012, 7:39 pm
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09 Feb 2012, 8:35 pm
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Then extend a sense of justice to the oppressed Christian minorities who never did you any wrong.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
What have they done for me lately? Let them look after themselves as best they can. I will not interfere.
ruveyn
Would you prefer they take that attitude toward you?
Your can take that question as rhetorical, as I know your answer.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
09 Feb 2012, 8:52 pm
Vigilans wrote:
DC wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Newt Gingrich likes to accuse President Obama of "being at war with Christians" because of the requirement for health insurance providers to cover contraception.
And, here is a classic example of a failed attempt to smear President Obama
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/ ... christians
And, here is a classic example of a failed attempt to smear President Obama
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/ ... christians
Foooooook!
Are Americans really so self absorbed that they haven't heard of the LRA?!
I really can't believe even some like Limbaugh would ever in a million years attempt to claim solidarity with this group, they make Stalin and Hitler look like saintly benevolent leaders by comparison.
Fooooook in el!
the worst part: that topic (LRA/Limbaugh) came up and a few Christians here defended them...Yep. Here is the previous discussion: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt178038.html
And, yes, Americans really are so self-absorbed that they haven't heard of the LRA.
09 Feb 2012, 8:59 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Then extend a sense of justice to the oppressed Christian minorities who never did you any wrong.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
What have they done for me lately? Let them look after themselves as best they can. I will not interfere.
ruveyn
Would you prefer they take that attitude toward you?
Your can take that question as rhetorical, as I know your answer.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I do not expect anyone to put themselves out for my sake. I do not live for the sake of others and I do not expect others to live for mine.
ruveyn
09 Feb 2012, 9:27 pm
AngelRho wrote:
Yes, but that was before persecution became so widespread. The more established churches in larger cities outside Jerusalem and Judea would have had a greater cause for concern. At least the Jews figured out early on that the acts of persecution they committed against Stephen and his contemporaries appeared to only fuel the movement.
It's interesting you note that Jews that persecuted Christians are still Jews
09 Feb 2012, 10:24 pm
09 Feb 2012, 10:45 pm
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