Whats with all the hate on liberalism or socialism/

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I notice a lot of hate lately on these to political views for example there has never been a true socialist nation that did do stuff fundamentally not socialist and whats wrong with the working class not being treated like dirt and actually trying to help poor people.We shouldn't leave them to to die,or turn them into villains if anything the poor are the victims not the rich hell the right and specifically the republicans believe in trickle down economics in which by fattening the coffers of the obscenely wealthy. They believe that like a magical breadcrumb will fall from the lap of god down to the poor little human subjects below except it will be some wealth so the poor can enjoy a life that doesn't consist of barely have the bare minimum required to still survive.I am sorry to burst your bubble republicans and your ilk but we've been waiting for several centuries and we still haven't got that breadcrumb your divine magnificence.I have yet to see a good argument or idea from the right to solve this morally repugnant belief.So I really don't understand the hate I am neither left nor right because I will call BS on either side whenever I see it but the BS comes mostly from the right and each election its less chose which option is best for the country and more which is the option you find easier to swallow.

There never has been a true Socialist nation because it tends to devolve into Communism and Dictatorships...

There has never been a Communist nation. Such would be a contradiction in terms, since Communism refers to the hypothetical post-Socialist stateless society.

As to a true Socialist nation... well, the USSR at some brief points in its history gave socialists a tantalizing instant of hope, but it went into dictatorship before socialism had a real chance to fail. Cuba and North Korea are both Socialist states, although neither are democracies as socialism ideally requires.

Yes I'm sure North Korea is a place everyone would just love to visit. Heard the average North Korean is 6 inches to a foot shorter than an average South Korean.

Then there is all those people that flee Cuba by boat to the United States, I'm sure that's a shining example of the merits of socialism.

Let's not forget Chavez and how the left holds him up as an idol. When he bully's his own people and has already pretty much taken out the free press in his country.

And for good reason. As soon as the Revolutionaries got into power, they had no intention of permitting the state to whither away.

I go by results. I duly note that every socialist state that was established by revolution and war, devolved into a dictatorship and a tyranny. The gulags, the purges and the show-trials speak for themselves. And this does not even get to the miserable performance of the socialist-Marxist command economies. What you get was poor productivity, shoddy products, bad service and people spending at least one third of their waking hours standing in line for the few crumbs they received.

The Christians have a saying: By their fruits ye shall know them. Right on.

ruveyn

Where did I ever say either of those places was doing well, or that socialism was good? I think I've always been pretty explicit that socialism in untenable.


Which left are you talking about?

Hollywood, Democrats, etc.

Ya, I've seen plenty of leftists praise Chavez quite a bit. I don't know if I would call them the mainstream since most of them praise Castro and his "worker's paradise" as well. Hugo Chavez is just a wannabe tin-pot dictator who hopefully will be disposed by his people before he enslaves them.

I wouldn't consider the USSR,North Korea or Cuba or any militarist country truly socialist.Socialism and Dictatorship don't have to go hand and hand and is Russia really better off has a capitalist oligarchy?They have a history of bad form of government one after another, hell its very hard to debate that a corrupt democracy in were the politicians are in the pockets of wealthy interests and corporations were both parties have their problems for example.
For example
-One is the rest of the worlds center party and is in the pockets of corporations but at least sometimes try to make things better a little bit for the lower classes and the younger people
-One is so far right that the rest of the world hates their guts send conflicting messages that the government is a inefficient ignoramus or is an evil mastermind concocting intricate massive evil plans behind the scenes,It can't be both.This party also has an appalling policy on spending,taxes and helping out the underclasses.There's more wrong with their picture but I wont get much deeper into it. I don't mean to be biased but having grown up in a working class blue collar family I can say with experience that liberal presidents and congress have brought us a half way decent life and good economic times and other things and mind you we have never been on government aid of any kind.While the conservatives have caused nothing but heartache and hard times were you really live pocket to mouth.Mind you I also live in a state that hasn't had a democratic governor in 20 years in the mostly blue New England and we just elected our first independent.So one can imagine why I am nostalgic for the Clinton years.Suffice it to say that soviet style communism and laissez-faire capitalism are both horrible systems to live in unless your a party faithful or wealthy or a massive corporation. The failures for one can be attributed to human weakness and the other that it assumes that the driving forces is an Benevolent Deity despite the fact it would cannibalize its own mother for personal gain.Americans have got to stop living under to illusion of upward mobility because its been dead for a long time,not that I am advocating for either system but here are some last minute thoughts.
-Socialism is failed so far due human weakness if it was governed by something that was uncorrectable by power or greed then it could work very well
-Capitalism could work and still be good for the economy but still help the underclasses so the systems is one lopsidedly in favor of the wealthy but in order to start the changes necessary we need campaign finance reform and corporations should no longer have the rights of human beings because that ruins the idea of democracy because what the point of an election where its the results are bought by interests opposed the financial interests of populous.I have yet to hear of a good solution to poverty or advocacy to rights of the poor and working classes from either libertarians or conservatives that doesn't amount to the epic fail that is trickle down economics.I hope someone understands where I am trying to come from, I don't thinks conservatives are bad people I just think they don;t understand and are out of touch with the plight of these people though some I am sure just don't give a crap.There are also liberals I can't stand and to ease any conservatives I wouldn't take away your guns I just wanna keeping them out of the hands of crazed psychotics or those suffering from paranoid delusions and gangs.But if your a hunter or just an enthusiast well then its non of my business if you own a gun because I don't care.

Explains why New York, California, Massachusetts, etc. are all broke...

Sure compassion and helping people is all well and good but you have to be realistic about it.

I just wish for once some people would have to work to survive and still have shelter and to feed their family or live the life of any outcast group to see if that shake up their beliefs.I am an atheist but I don't wanna stop people from following their faith but I want them to keep it out of my life and that of the government and everyone elses. If anyone looks at history and the present day religions is one of the most detrimental forces against human rights and the long time survival of the human race. I don't consider my self left or right because I actually do respect some conservatives because I supported the independent candidate for governor who was a former republican senator because he did what he thought was right since he didn't follow strict party lines and proposes ideas that would make a republican cringe nowadays and I can't help but support someone that has god ideas and actually has some independent thoughts.

Most of America does actual work to survive and feed their families. You know people out east could tell I wasn't from there because I was "Too Polite."



Problem with that notion is you reach a point where you are infringing on other people's rights. You are telling people they can't celebrate a religious holiday because it is religion. It reaches the point where you are committing the very thing you accuse religious people of doing.



Got news for you, Joseph Stalin was an atheist as is the Chinese Government and the North Korean Government.



Odds are I'd probably consider you to be a liberal, though one I think I could be friends with and disagree with in a civil manner. I tend to actually vote Republican especially of late because I don't think government should be running my life.

Where you have found religious people to be intolerant, I have actually found Atheists to be intolerant. So intolerance is on both sides.

I live in Rhode Island with a republican governor and we are more broke then any of those states for many reasons but they played a big role.The things is no one targets the source of the problems they only through money at it but that's our only option since the other sides policy is to do absolutely nothing in hopes that from the extra money in the hands of the wealthy and not being used on entitlements that it would trickles down well we have had these entitlements since the Roosevelt administration and the wealthy has yet to trickle down and you can't blame the democrats for that since we had more republican presidents and congresses since then democrats.So that policy obviously doesn't work and I would love to hear one republican or conservative admit that and come up with a better solution because these people deserve to be treated like the free human beings they are.But yet I have yet to hear that admission.I would rather have a side that just eases the pay rather than a side that completely indifferent to the problem to the points its almost malicious.

Hi! I used to live in Los Angeles and worked in Hollywood and spent a lot of off-time there as well. You have no clue what you're talking about. Quit getting your talking points from blowhards who talk tough to make little girls like you melt over them.

You trying to tell me with a straight face that most of those in Hollywood is made up of centrists and conservatives... Maybe 50-60 years ago, but most conservatives are blackballed now.

Face it, most of America is not out in left field like California. You would probably think Evan Bayh is as far right as Rush Limbaugh... California is not considered a good indicator of how the rest of the country thinks for a reason.

I'm telling you that Hollywood is a hodgepodge of all views in politics both extreme and moderate and both left and right.

And face it, you're out of touch with what is what. California voted to ban gay marriage while Iowa voted to allow it.

But whatever, you know everything about California while I, who lived there, apparently know nothing.