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06 Aug 2010, 1:05 am

An atheist is dying and has lost his mind, cannot think rationally. He professes to embrace god and sees the 'error' of his ways.

Is it valid? Its the flip side argument of free will after death.

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06 Aug 2010, 1:19 am

Fuzzy wrote:

An atheist is dying and has lost his mind, cannot think rationally. He professes to embrace god and sees the 'error' of his ways.

Is it valid? Its the flip side argument of free will after death.

Bedside conversions, in general, seem to be bet-hedging, never mind the atheist context.

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06 Aug 2010, 10:41 am

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06 Aug 2010, 10:47 am

Who's to say? The four atheist people that I knew and who died had not the slightest inclination to become religious.

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06 Aug 2010, 11:00 am

Fuzzy wrote:

An atheist is dying ...
He professes to embrace god and sees the 'error' of his ways.

Is it valid?

Is what valid? An assumed sectarian "conversion"? And since conversion *is* sectarian, would this kind of thing be limited to only that possibility? Also, why do you have "and has lost his mind, cannot think rationally" included in your scenario? Then, why do you have "embrace god" ahead of "sees the 'error'", and why is "error" placed within quotation marks?

In any case: Not all people die in foxholes, but I suspect few who do never pray.

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06 Aug 2010, 11:04 am

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In any case: Not all people die in foxholes, but I suspect few who do never pray.

That just indicates that fear provokes irrationality.

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06 Aug 2010, 11:23 am

KaiG wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

In any case: Not all people die in foxholes, but I suspect few who do never pray.

That just indicates that fear provokes irrationality.

I seriously doubt a proper foxhole survey has ever been taken. It's just that religious people have not the imagination to understand that some people are not superstitious.

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06 Aug 2010, 4:27 pm

KaiG wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

In any case: Not all people die in foxholes, but I suspect few who do never pray.

That just indicates that fear provokes irrationality.

No, it does not.

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06 Aug 2010, 6:21 pm

leejosepho wrote:

KaiG wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

In any case: Not all people die in foxholes, but I suspect few who do never pray.

That just indicates that fear provokes irrationality.

No, it does not.

A clear indication that fear is not always necessary.

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06 Aug 2010, 6:40 pm

Do not know the answer to the question you posed about a deathbed conversion, however, as you know, the story titled A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens is about a kind of deathbed conversion where the main character sees the past, sees the present, and sees into the future and decides to change the direction his life has gone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Christmas_Carol

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06 Aug 2010, 6:46 pm

pgd wrote:

Do not know the answer to the question you posed about a deathbed confession, however, as you know, the story titled A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens is about a kind of deathbed confession where the main character sees the past, sees the present, and sees into the future and decides to change the direction his life has gone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Christmas_Carol

Much eternal wisdom can also be gained by studying The Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, Flash Gordon, Grimm's Fairy Tales, and many nursery rhymes.

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06 Aug 2010, 6:52 pm

Sand wrote:

pgd wrote:

Much eternal wisdom can also be gained by studying The Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, Flash Gordon, Grimm's Fairy Tales, and many nursery rhymes.

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Yes, that's true. Many fairy tales, nursery rhymes, and stories are full of wisdom.

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