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danieltaiwan
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11 Aug 2010, 7:35 pm

How about voting none of the above?

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11 Aug 2010, 9:19 pm

politics is nothing but a way for leaders to perseverate on washed out ideologies at the expense of people, especially in non western countries, where authority is not kept in check as well. the purpose of political parties is to avoid the complexities of current issues for unyeilding, blanket solutions so that opposing pundits could receive more media attention. how convenient for talk show hosts that they could make profits out of all the conflicts going on. :roll:

french politicians, for example, are unreliable. one has to choose between the socialists and right wing leaders, who pretend to care about the problems immigration is posing, but in reality only care about pushing their racist, anti-semitic views.



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11 Aug 2010, 10:09 pm

Tired of the facade that one party is somehow superior to another because their lies are more believable.
Tired of being told that I have an obligation to vote for one of the narrow field of candidates, none of whom represent my views, my needs or my philosophy.
Tired of being told that abstaining from voting means I have no right to voice my dissatisfaction with the way my country of residence is being run.
Tired of people kidding themselves that democracy is anything other than a sanctioned dictatorship.
Tired of nobody accepting that any of the above is true when they try to drag me into a political discussion.



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11 Aug 2010, 10:14 pm

The only real change we're ever going to get will be brought about by revolutionaries. I'm not saying they won't fail utterly, I just saying that they'll bring about actual change.


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11 Aug 2010, 10:59 pm

Politicians throw the worst parties possible.


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11 Aug 2010, 11:20 pm

i wish there would be a clearer difference between supporting political activism for a legitimate cause, and supporting merely sectarian activities so that we would not be at the mercy of so many vile, self inflating people.



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12 Aug 2010, 1:15 am

I'm tired of the puppets.


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12 Aug 2010, 3:21 am

petitesouris wrote:
i wish there would be a clearer difference between supporting political activism for a legitimate cause, and supporting merely sectarian activities so that we would not be at the mercy of so many vile, self inflating people.


What constitutes a legitimate cause is a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact.

And that may be the problem.

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12 Aug 2010, 8:53 am

ruveyn wrote:
petitesouris wrote:
i wish there would be a clearer difference between supporting political activism for a legitimate cause, and supporting merely sectarian activities so that we would not be at the mercy of so many vile, self inflating people.


What constitutes a legitimate cause is a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact.

And that may be the problem.

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it is easy to say that, and it is difficult to define worthy and unworthy causes, but in some cases the difference between the two is almost objective. fighting the nazis was a legitimate cause, while most seem to agree that the iraq war was not.



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12 Aug 2010, 10:16 am

petitesouris wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
petitesouris wrote:
i wish there would be a clearer difference between supporting political activism for a legitimate cause, and supporting merely sectarian activities so that we would not be at the mercy of so many vile, self inflating people.


What constitutes a legitimate cause is a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact.

And that may be the problem.

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it is easy to say that, and it is difficult to define worthy and unworthy causes, but in some cases the difference between the two is almost objective. fighting the nazis was a legitimate cause, while most seem to agree that the iraq war was not.


The Nazis and Imperial Japanese were initiating violence on other nations and people. That alone made it necessary to fight them. While I find their respective ideologies despicable (that is an opinion) it was their objective initiation of force that made it necessary to destroy their regimes.

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12 Aug 2010, 9:20 pm

Soldiers loyalties should not be the country, but to what is right.
Look up the July 20th Plot. Men in Hitler's military revolted because they wanted to do what is right, they martyred themselves.


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12 Aug 2010, 9:36 pm

danieltaiwan wrote:
Soldiers loyalties should not be the country, but to what is right.
Look up the July 20th Plot. Men in Hitler's military revolted because they wanted to do what is right, they martyred themselves.


"We took this challenge before our Lord and our conscience, and it must be done, because this man, Hitler, he is the ultimate evil.
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Sometimes what is right is in question.


Stauffenberg and his companions saw Hitler as the ruination of Germany which is why they decided to eliminate him. Too bad they did not succeed.

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12 Aug 2010, 9:38 pm

ruveyn wrote:
The Nazis and Imperial Japanese were initiating violence on other nations and people. That alone made it necessary to fight them. While I find their respective ideologies despicable (that is an opinion) it was their objective initiation of force that made it necessary to destroy their regimes.

The United States initiated force in Iraq, so what are you suggesting?



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12 Aug 2010, 9:42 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
The Nazis and Imperial Japanese were initiating violence on other nations and people. That alone made it necessary to fight them. While I find their respective ideologies despicable (that is an opinion) it was their objective initiation of force that made it necessary to destroy their regimes.

The United States initiated force in Iraq, so what are you suggesting?


It is clear the locals will oppose us. Being a superpower has its advantages. No nation or group is going to destroy the U.S.. But we are suffering losses in blood and treasure. It were better if we had not initiated that war. No good (for us) has come of it.

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