Any Catholics here for whom its about theatre and symbolism?

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Any Catholics here for whom its about theatre and symbolism?
Yeah, that pretty much describes my relationship to Catholicism, I still believe that in a spiritual sense that I am Catholic 17%  17%  [ 1 ]
No, Jesus was Ressurected. Thats not something you can make a metaphor out of. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I am not Catholic 83%  83%  [ 5 ]
I kind of think of my self as Catholic even though I am not a believer but I don't take it seriously or anything. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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JohnisBlind
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13 Aug 2010, 12:50 am

Is there anybody here who considers themselves deeply spiritually Catholic but doesn't really believe in all the stuff about Jesus and the resurrection? Or if you do believe in the resurrection you see it as more of a metaphor. I ask because I know that Martin Scorsese thinks of himself as Catholic but I don't think he has a very literal belief, although that just might be my projection of him. It seems like he uses a lot of ideas from the Catholic faith in his movies as a high of highlighting existential realities.

Do you think it is okay to take the mass if your confessional beliefs are not orthodox?



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13 Aug 2010, 8:07 am

If you don't believe in Jesus' resurrection, you are not Catholic. It is basically the most important part of the religion and it is pretty non-optional.

If you think it was just metaphor then you are a form of agnostic or something like that.

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Do you think it is okay to take the mass if your confessional beliefs are not orthodox?
I'd say the Church does not think so. My own moral compass finds no problem with it though.


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13 Aug 2010, 11:11 am

The Italian Catholic Church is a very strange cult which has tossed Jesus out the window, the Bible out the window, human marriage out the window, and equal rights for women out the window.

You might consider reading the Bible and then comparing what the Bible actually says to the nonsense (aka Italian poetry) which comes from Rome everyday in the form of (Nazi politics type) mass produced propaganda (aka fibs/lies) news items (my view).

Reading The Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan and looking at both pro and con Christian evangelist Jack T. Chick publications really opened my eyes as to the fibs which come from Rome even today - year 2010.

Also, it's very clear from many USA Supreme Court decisions that the (false) ideas which come from medieval Rome are not democratic in nature and do not match the ideas associated with western democracies such as the United States of America.

George Washington was a Deist, not an Italian Catholic.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/previou ... index.html

http://www.sacred-texts.com/

The Italian Catholic Church is only religious theater run by a group of male only actors whose purpose in life is to promote the continuation of their private men's club - the Italian Catholic Church forever and ever and ever.

The Italian Catholic Church today has nothing to do with the God of the Bible - either the God of Judaism (the Old Testament) or the God of Christianity (the New Testament).

Most persons today (2010) do not believe the child crime hiding criminal Pope of Italy is infallible despite the politician Pope's pronouncement that all child crimes associated with the Catholic Church of Rome are idle wives' gossip only.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spanis ... nty_Python)

A number of famous artists were forcibly raised Italian Catholics, that is, they were christened without their permission and forced to attend Italian Catholic Nazi brainwashing/propaganda Sunday schools.

So it's not surprising (to me) that later in life, those artists, whether they are Scorsese, Madonna, or Gibson (etc.) will create works of art where parts of the art reflect their forced Nazi Italian Catholic brainwashing.

The Italian poet, Dante, figured out hundreds of years ago that the Italian Catholic Church was imperfect/often corrupt and wrote a comedy about it all called the Divine Comedy.

http://www.beliefnet.com/

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13 Aug 2010, 12:00 pm

pgd, just shut up. That's utter non-sense. Catholicism is in now way less non-sensical or less christian than other christian branches, plus they are the wide majority. Calling them nazi is just out of proportion. That Washington was not catholic is irrelevant to the discussion.

Also, the non-catholic christian branches were yet to split from the Roman one back in the time of the inquisition. More so, many of them kept practicing it . (US witch hunts as an example).


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13 Aug 2010, 1:43 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
If you don't believe in Jesus' resurrection, you are not Catholic. It is basically the most important part of the religion and it is pretty non-optional.

If you think it was just metaphor then you are a form of agnostic or something like that.

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Do you think it is okay to take the mass if your confessional beliefs are not orthodox?
I'd say the Church does not think so. My own moral compass finds no problem with it though.


But you don't believe in religion at all. Isn't taking a stance on what you believe does or does not constitute true Catholicism a little bit like a person arguing on the true physical characteristics of gnomes or unicorns?