Which people-groups are currently allowed to be hated?
17 Oct 2010, 2:11 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
he tried. he spoke up more than anyone against all the nonsense. but he was a member of a hated group, and that is a hard pill to swallow - to know that you are hated/disrespected/derided for something so ridiculous and unchangeable as your skin colour. he was one of the few people of a minority who was willing to even enter this forum.
I think there are a few others, but most don't enter the shouting arena know as PPR. There's a disgusting amount of ignorance on PPR from outright racists, closet racists, and oblivious "libertarian" commentators, I will admit. Internet forums tend to be magnets for filth.
hyperlexian wrote:
one brave muslim poster recently left in disappointment as well...
To be fair, the "Brave Muslim" was pretty self-righteous in starting a thread attacking a religion (Christianity) and expecting to be free from criticism. I critiqued his theme with a pork comment and I viewed it as justified as Islam is a religious group, which is sort of ideological, and I've attacked other religions (and sustained attacks from the faithful) in the past. The "Brave Muslim" also wasn't that racially enlightened as he made REALLY offensive remarks on Hispanic immigrants "taking jobs".
hyerlexian wrote:
i disagree that censorship is the wrong way to deal with it. not total silencing, but without the support of moderation this part of the forum is mostly intolerable to the people who are targets. they would like to be able to come here to discuss PPR topics like anyone else, but it is exhausting, and enraging, and dispiriting to have to defend yourself for something like your skin colour.
I think the may method should be HIT BACK - but do so in a detached way in which you show little anger or partiality to the posters in question. I've learned that the Con Artists pretty much whine like infants when you use their dirty tricks against them and - if enough people do it - they may get the message that what they are doing is reprehensible.
Speaking of Con-Artists™, have you two rehearsed this much or is this purely ad-lib?
did you miss the part where Master_Pedant completely disagreed with me?
i guess those terrible canadian con artists can't even agree with each other! must be so bumbling.
Meh, I'm not making an actual accusation against you in terms of staging the whole thing, although if it is not a political stunt in association with the exodus of the one offended dude then it, to me, brings into question your comprehension of my threads - such as this one - which you call Racist© without realizing that it is against racism in actuality. All forms of racism are equally wrong, not just the one which continues to be a dead equine suffering physical abuse.
i kinda think you don't actually read what i write, because i didn't say the bolded part at all. perhaps i am once again mistaken for another poster?
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17 Oct 2010, 2:20 pm
Are you willing to say that on neither the term level nor the definition level you have not called me or my threads "racist" or other appellations of similar pejorative nature?
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hyperlexian wrote:
you're seeing in real time what has driven people out of PPR, or even right off WP: rampant racism and hate speech gone unchecked. i believe that this will change with time, but i am resting easy as a white person. when people are being racist on here, it is not directed at ME. one step removed, and i can't imagine how terrible it would feel to be black or muslim in here, with people making derogatory remarks and getting away with it. frankly, it's sick.
To be fair, BigK really shouldn't have become so attached to the nonsense posted by the WP Far-Right. The proper way to deal with the nonsense that's regularly spewed isn't to get mad at it or even to call for censorship, it's to become cynically detached and tear them apart where it hurts - at the facets of their ideas that are absurd and stupid.
17 Oct 2010, 2:24 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Are you willing to say that on neither the term level nor the definition level you have not called me or my threads "racist" or other appellations of similar pejorative nature?
To be fair, BigK really shouldn't have become so attached to the nonsense posted by the WP Far-Right. The proper way to deal with the nonsense that's regularly spewed isn't to get mad at it or even to call for censorship, it's to become cynically detached and tear them apart where it hurts - at the facets of their ideas that are absurd and stupid.
Master_Pedant wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
you're seeing in real time what has driven people out of PPR, or even right off WP: rampant racism and hate speech gone unchecked. i believe that this will change with time, but i am resting easy as a white person. when people are being racist on here, it is not directed at ME. one step removed, and i can't imagine how terrible it would feel to be black or muslim in here, with people making derogatory remarks and getting away with it. frankly, it's sick.
To be fair, BigK really shouldn't have become so attached to the nonsense posted by the WP Far-Right. The proper way to deal with the nonsense that's regularly spewed isn't to get mad at it or even to call for censorship, it's to become cynically detached and tear them apart where it hurts - at the facets of their ideas that are absurd and stupid.
please show me where i said anything at all about this thread being racist, as that is what you are accusing me of.
your example does not show that at all. i was talking about PPR, not this thread, so your point is not valid.
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17 Oct 2010, 2:31 pm
hyperlexian wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Are you willing to say that on neither the term level nor the definition level you have not called me or my threads "racist" or other appellations of similar pejorative nature?
To be fair, BigK really shouldn't have become so attached to the nonsense posted by the WP Far-Right. The proper way to deal with the nonsense that's regularly spewed isn't to get mad at it or even to call for censorship, it's to become cynically detached and tear them apart where it hurts - at the facets of their ideas that are absurd and stupid.
Master_Pedant wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
you're seeing in real time what has driven people out of PPR, or even right off WP: rampant racism and hate speech gone unchecked. i believe that this will change with time, but i am resting easy as a white person. when people are being racist on here, it is not directed at ME. one step removed, and i can't imagine how terrible it would feel to be black or muslim in here, with people making derogatory remarks and getting away with it. frankly, it's sick.
To be fair, BigK really shouldn't have become so attached to the nonsense posted by the WP Far-Right. The proper way to deal with the nonsense that's regularly spewed isn't to get mad at it or even to call for censorship, it's to become cynically detached and tear them apart where it hurts - at the facets of their ideas that are absurd and stupid.
please show me where i said anything at all about this thread being racist, as that is what you are accusing me of.
your example does not show that at all. i was talking about PPR, not this thread, so your point is not valid.
In bold, there you go.
17 Oct 2010, 2:36 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Are you willing to say that on neither the term level nor the definition level you have not called me or my threads "racist" or other appellations of similar pejorative nature?
To be fair, BigK really shouldn't have become so attached to the nonsense posted by the WP Far-Right. The proper way to deal with the nonsense that's regularly spewed isn't to get mad at it or even to call for censorship, it's to become cynically detached and tear them apart where it hurts - at the facets of their ideas that are absurd and stupid.
Master_Pedant wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
you're seeing in real time what has driven people out of PPR, or even right off WP: rampant racism and hate speech gone unchecked. i believe that this will change with time, but i am resting easy as a white person. when people are being racist on here, it is not directed at ME. one step removed, and i can't imagine how terrible it would feel to be black or muslim in here, with people making derogatory remarks and getting away with it. frankly, it's sick.
To be fair, BigK really shouldn't have become so attached to the nonsense posted by the WP Far-Right. The proper way to deal with the nonsense that's regularly spewed isn't to get mad at it or even to call for censorship, it's to become cynically detached and tear them apart where it hurts - at the facets of their ideas that are absurd and stupid.
please show me where i said anything at all about this thread being racist, as that is what you are accusing me of.
your example does not show that at all. i was talking about PPR, not this thread, so your point is not valid.
In bold, there you go.
i'm not referring to the thread - i'm referring to racist commenters on WP. if you are a racist, then i am definitely referring to you. if you are not a racist, then i am not. are you a racist?
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17 Oct 2010, 2:42 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Meh, I'm not making an actual accusation against you in terms of staging the whole thing, although if it is not a political stunt in association with the exodus of the one offended dude then it, to me, brings into question your comprehension of my threads - such as this one - which you call Racist© without realizing that it is against racism in actuality. All forms of racism are equally wrong, not just the one which continues to be a dead equine suffering physical abuse.
What you're actually trying to do is analogous to what various Neo-Nazi groups try and do. They try to compare the "oppression" whites face in society from marginal cases of effective racism against whites to the systemic racism minorities in the underclass face.
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18 Oct 2010, 9:28 am
hyperlexian wrote:
i'm not referring to the thread - i'm referring to racist commenters on WP. if you are a racist, then i am definitely referring to you. if you are not a racist, then i am not. are you a racist?
No, I'm not a racist, however you seem to think I am and that all that matters as per writing composed by you or any other. What is actual versus what is perceived is of great importance when interpreting the words of another. If you perceive me to be a racist, then you would feel that your statement would apply even though it actually wouldn't.
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18 Oct 2010, 9:29 am
Master_Pedant wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Meh, I'm not making an actual accusation against you in terms of staging the whole thing, although if it is not a political stunt in association with the exodus of the one offended dude then it, to me, brings into question your comprehension of my threads - such as this one - which you call Racist© without realizing that it is against racism in actuality. All forms of racism are equally wrong, not just the one which continues to be a dead equine suffering physical abuse.
What you're actually trying to do is analogous to what various Neo-Nazi groups try and do. They try to compare the "oppression" whites face in society from marginal cases of effective racism against whites to the systemic racism minorities in the underclass face.
Really now, that is an impressive accusation.
18 Oct 2010, 10:15 am
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
i'm not referring to the thread - i'm referring to racist commenters on WP. if you are a racist, then i am definitely referring to you. if you are not a racist, then i am not. are you a racist?
No, I'm not a racist, however you seem to think I am and that all that matters as per writing composed by you or any other. What is actual versus what is perceived is of great importance when interpreting the words of another. If you perceive me to be a racist, then you would feel that your statement would apply even though it actually wouldn't.
so you are ASSUMING things about me, but i shouldn't ASSUME things about you? i have not called you a racist, but you are looking for hobgoblins in every corner, it seems like....
is some kind of paranoia happening with you? or are you seeking to become some kind of internet martyr?
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18 Oct 2010, 10:16 am
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Meh, I'm not making an actual accusation against you in terms of staging the whole thing, although if it is not a political stunt in association with the exodus of the one offended dude then it, to me, brings into question your comprehension of my threads - such as this one - which you call Racist© without realizing that it is against racism in actuality. All forms of racism are equally wrong, not just the one which continues to be a dead equine suffering physical abuse.
What you're actually trying to do is analogous to what various Neo-Nazi groups try and do. They try to compare the "oppression" whites face in society from marginal cases of effective racism against whites to the systemic racism minorities in the underclass face.
Really now, that is an impressive accusation.
well, it seems like you have been saying that reverse racism is just as bad as actual racism. is that correct?
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18 Oct 2010, 10:32 am
So....how many more topics are you gonna start complaining about how you're a poor, oppressed white man?
Maybe I could save you the trouble and create a "Poor oppressed white man" thread and you can just go whine in there?
I mean it's not like as if you even live in any area where there's a significant "minority" population. Minnesota's not exactly a Chocolate City or a barrio. Even the major metropolitan area within the state is straight vanilla (the St Paul-Minneapolis metro area is 80% white with each respective city having roughly 60-70%...70 in Minn and 64 in St Paul).
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18 Oct 2010, 11:28 am
Orwell wrote:
Crimsonfield wrote:
Racist, socialist and terrorist are overused words because they're politically useful and instigate fear or shame, just like words like heretic and witch were during the inquisitions in the middle ages. "Obama's a socialist! Very socialist. You wanna vote for him? You shouldn't vote for him! You don't want Hitler to come back do you? He's also a terrorist..."
Overused yes, but there are still times when all of those words are appropriate. There are socialists, terrorists, and racists in the world, and refusing to acknowledge their existence merely because some people overuse/abuse the terms doesn't make the real racists, terrorists, or socialists go away. If anything, it gives them a free reign.
I'm not stating these groups don't exist. I was only referring to the fact that words like racist and socialist are constantly used in smearing tactics in attempt to wreck a person's credibility. In Europe for example, it's become taboo for politicians to discuss the negative effect of mass Muslim immigration because immediately the rival parties in power will accuse them of racism, populism and intolerance. In Germany it's practicably political suicide for a candidate to criticize immigration or worse another ethnicity. Not saying that Europe is racist and xenophobe free. Like in the Netherlands, you have the PVV of Geert Wilders that wants to evict every Muslim out the country.
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18 Oct 2010, 5:28 pm
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So....how many more topics are you gonna start complaining about how you're a poor, oppressed white man?
I've actually stopped making more topics for at least a day or two now. Also, racism against white people is acceptable is the theme of one type of thread and the other theme is about opposition to censorship in general and how being offended ought not to be considered the greatest crime ever.
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18 Oct 2010, 5:31 pm
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i'm not referring to the thread - i'm referring to racist commenters on WP. if you are a racist, then i am definitely referring to you. if you are not a racist, then i am not. are you a racist?
No, I'm not a racist, however you seem to think I am and that all that matters as per writing composed by you or any other. What is actual versus what is perceived is of great importance when interpreting the words of another. If you perceive me to be a racist, then you would feel that your statement would apply even though it actually wouldn't.
so you are ASSUMING things about me, but i shouldn't ASSUME things about you? i have not called you a racist, but you are looking for hobgoblins in every corner, it seems like....
is some kind of paranoia happening with you? or are you seeking to become some kind of internet martyr?
Fine, I assume that each time you post you are fairly angry. Is that too far of a speculation, since your anger is apparent in your composition?
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18 Oct 2010, 5:32 pm
hyperlexian wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Meh, I'm not making an actual accusation against you in terms of staging the whole thing, although if it is not a political stunt in association with the exodus of the one offended dude then it, to me, brings into question your comprehension of my threads - such as this one - which you call Racist© without realizing that it is against racism in actuality. All forms of racism are equally wrong, not just the one which continues to be a dead equine suffering physical abuse.
What you're actually trying to do is analogous to what various Neo-Nazi groups try and do. They try to compare the "oppression" whites face in society from marginal cases of effective racism against whites to the systemic racism minorities in the underclass face.
Really now, that is an impressive accusation.
well, it seems like you have been saying that reverse racism is just as bad as actual racism. is that correct?
All racism is equally wrong. Do you care to argue that some forms of racism are good or better than other forms of racism?
18 Oct 2010, 6:04 pm
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well, it seems like you have been saying that reverse racism is just as bad as actual racism. is that correct?
There is no such thing as "reverse" racism there is only racism, which is equally bad whether it's directed at a minority by the majority or vice versa; historical precedent does not affect the morality of the situation either way.
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