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18 Jun 2011, 8:48 pm

Herself for reasons of sensitivity prefers not to come here, but asks me to ask:

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Identify a valuable / productive / true idea / concept /proposal from a leftist source in the past 100 years.

Use your own definitions and we will stipulate that it would be difficult at least for me to identify such a thing from a rightist source.



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18 Jun 2011, 8:52 pm

How about us white people should let blacks eat next to us?


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18 Jun 2011, 9:06 pm

dionysian wrote:
How about us white people should let blacks eat next to us?


Society of Friends count as leftist? Certainly a counterculture. Not quite in the time frame.

Much depends on how you set your boundaries in the process.

Not complaining.

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19 Jun 2011, 8:06 am

Philologos wrote:
Herself for reasons of sensitivity prefers not to come here, but asks me to ask:

For info:

Identify a valuable / productive / true idea / concept /proposal from a leftist source in the past 100 years.

Use your own definitions and we will stipulate that it would be difficult at least for me to identify such a thing from a rightist source.


There are successful scientists who have left wing political inclinations, but I would not attribute their success in science to their political belief. Example: the late Stephen Gould, a leading evolutionist was also a blazing pink commie sympathizer. Einstein had a generally favorable attitude to moderate socialist and anti-war political positions. He was no commie, but he was sympathetic to socialism.

By contrast Edward Teller who was a virulent anti-communist was also a successful physicists. It was through his efforts that the U.S. produced a thermonuclear bomb.

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19 Jun 2011, 1:12 pm

I should note that she is also inquiring after great / true / beautiful art [broadly interpreted to include architecture, music, usw.].



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19 Jun 2011, 5:57 pm

Philologos wrote:
I should note that she is also inquiring after great / true / beautiful art [broadly interpreted to include architecture, music, usw.].


The concept that art is concerned primarily with beauty is one of the more gross mistakes of someone unfamiliar with the field.



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19 Jun 2011, 6:00 pm

Sand wrote:
Philologos wrote:
I should note that she is also inquiring after great / true / beautiful art [broadly interpreted to include architecture, music, usw.].


The concept that art is concerned primarily with beauty is one of the more gross mistakes of someone unfamiliar with the field.


What is art concerned with primarily?

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19 Jun 2011, 6:19 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:
Philologos wrote:
I should note that she is also inquiring after great / true / beautiful art [broadly interpreted to include architecture, music, usw.].


The concept that art is concerned primarily with beauty is one of the more gross mistakes of someone unfamiliar with the field.


What is art concerned with primarily?

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It depends upon which viewpoint you take. For the artist it is, like any other form of art such as creative writing, dance, drama, architecture, film, music, etc. an exploration of form, content, materials, emotion, attitude, perception, comprehension of reality and probably a few more things. It tests limits in all these directions and tries to discover novel approaches and new understandings. It is an adventure that might produce beauty, ugliness, horror, delight, examination of basic skills and much more.
The commercial side of art is involved with monetary value and is altogether different from the artist's point of view. The viewer's point of view is also very different and varies for each viewer and his or her sophistication and personal preferences.



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19 Jun 2011, 9:21 pm

Social programs such as Social Security, Mediare, Medicaid, etc. Labor standards providing for better treatment of workers- the end of child labor, the 8 hour work-day, the right to organize, the right to a living wage, etc ad nauseam. And then of course all social progress- the rights of women and minorities were pushed by the left, not the right.

Philologos wrote:
dionysian wrote:
How about us white people should let blacks eat next to us?


Society of Friends count as leftist? Certainly a counterculture. Not quite in the time frame.

Much depends on how you set your boundaries in the process.

Not complaining.

Relay is the key and I will relay as received.

Quakers were hardly the only ones pushing for racial equality, but yes, I would count them as leftist.


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