The Sad Truth About Racists

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SIngapore is also an interesting model because the poor, the middle class, and the rich will all live on that same block as well. I'm not talking about the uber-rich as they can buy private property, but since EUropean governments are more heavy-handed in central planning, especially in new developments that are propping up all over the continent and in the UK, it is something to consider.

America tries to do the same with rent-control measures and nice inner city apartments for lower-income people that are below a certain income, but that's another story.

I hardly see how high speed rail and universal medicine wouldn't work in America, just because of American exceptionalism. Does American exeptionalism dictate that people die from lack of medical care because they can't afford it?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

MLK was southern and a baptist but he was not a Southern Baptist at that point the SBC was a mostly white organization
Martin was a National Baptist Convention or a Black Baptist.

It Does Work In A Small Part Of America:
They don't work in America because it would require a massive centralized government that can dictate where people live and how they live to make it work. High-Speed Rail does work in the NE corner of America but it was a matter of luck that we colonized the east coast first and job opportunities brought in waves of people who condensed and saturated the region. The length of the line that the Acela runs has more people per mile then anywhere else in the country, and can justify more stops. Density and frequency of stops legitimize a bullet train(as evident in Japan and France). There are very few places outside of it that can justify a bullet train, save for perhaps Portland to Vancouver BC or LA to San Diego, or perhaps even San Jose to Sacramento, but even that is a very very long stretch and very unlikely that it'll work.

It can't work outside of there:
Putting it other places that don't meet that requirement just because you want an alternative to flying a plane and it makes your country looks modern is not... if anything it is financial suicide since even where HSR works, the general public still subsidize it a bit, or in other words: It is not self-sustaining. Which is fine... it doesn't have to be, but there is a difference between paying a small amount for the public good, and the taxpayer footing the entire bill to the tune of several billions of dollars so you can live out your fantasy. And that's just the construction of this dumb idea. Currently, public transportation doesn't have noble market outside NYC, and even that is under 15%. It is dense, services a lot of jobs, is an economic hub, has a high-speed-rail that brings people in and out of the city, etc, but that is just one city. Public transportation adds nothing to the economy, is heavily dependent on highway trust fund and the road-going population via taxes, licenses, fees, and other things to keep it alive, and that is excluding the profits that are taxed by everyone who benefits from roads like TOyota, GM, the manufacturer of tires, car washes, those who haul tv-sets from the port to your local bestbuy, those who use to it deliver a service, and those who use it to go to work.

In Japan:
Japan privatized its HSR and the public debt for it was 250 billion dollars. It has since moved to 280 billion. You can make up some excuse to pay it off but the reality of it is that life happens, the budget is tied up in other things, and debt grows. It is also a lot of money for a country with 60% less the population of the United States though it should be noted that there are more people who use the train in Japan then there are people who use public transportation in the United States. The market for it Tokyo and Osaka is 60%, whereas only 3.8% of the people in the SF Bay use our railways, be it BART or Cal-Train. It's a high cost for Japan, but well-used and well-planned. But they have the transit-using population, the proximity of stops, the density, the access of railway to jobs, having the stops pass through major economic hubs instead of a point-to-point destination like LA-to-SF like that is being proposed, etc.

Final Thoughts
This is just like the stupid health care proposal, it was just dumped on a slightly imperfect system, fixing none of its flaws and creating new ones along the way. People need to understand why they work where they work before importing it to somewhere that isn't supportive of it. If you want to become a dictator and reorder where people live in the state of California, and order the states of Nevada, Utah, and Arizona to relocate all of their people into the interior of California or import immigrants from elsewhere to make this fantasy a reality, good luck.

It is nice that you liberals fantasize and glamorize modernity but do it without resorting to fascism, socialism to the far left of most of Europe, or taxing the rich half or most of their income and maybe you have a chance.

are you implying most racists are christian?

Whatever.
Doesnt change my point.

no

It does if you mean the Southern Baptist Convention is not an historically racist denomination.
It split off in 1846 because the General Baptists would not endorse Owning Folks.
the churches were segregated black southern baptists had to sit separated from their white
co-religionists. That is why Black Baptists formed the N.B.C.
So yeah Southern Baptists have a tendency to the racism.

I hardly think you need to remove whole populations from one place to another in order to make these things work. And by the way, it was the right who used to say that the left was using fascistic policies in order to legislate civil rights. Come to think of it, Rick Perry seems to be poking that dead horse with a stick these days.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Try mentioning the words "Enoch Powell" in any contexts and the multicultural, West-hating, Muslim-loving left (that's not all the left, not by a long chalk) will throw all kinds of insults at you. You're excommunicated. Anything to do with Enoch Powell is automatically thought of as a reference to his Rivers of Blood speech, which the left have wilfully misinterpreted by giving it all kinds of meanings that was not Powell's original intention.

In fact, even mentioning Powell has you put down as a neo-Nazi/BNP type. Even though Powell himself was not a fascist by any means - in many respects he was a libertarian conservative with an anti-immigration streak. He specifically shut down standing for the National Front, for example, and became a Unionist MP in Northern Ireland instead. The man was a British nationalist/unionist who believed in the primacy of the Crown and parliamentary democracy - the last part especially isn't something you generally associate with fascists.

He was a very intelligent man, who could speak about seven or eight different languages, wrote books on all kinds of subjects, and was a classical scholar. He became a Professor of Ancient Greek at the age of 25. The guy clearly was not your average hooligan chucking bricks through people's windows.



Indeed. We live in a very middle-class community in my town where there are very few non-white people. We won't use the local swimming baths because they have effectively become taken over by backward Asians. I haven't been to the local swimming baths but last time I was there, there were no white people there. You had women swimming in burqa-type costumes and the like. It's horrid. What Americans must understand is that there is no unifying national identity in Britain. There used to be, but this has been taken away from us and is only brought out when the state specifically gets something out of it.

It's all very well shouting that non-Muslims are terrible racists and Islamophobes but this is complete garbage. Non-Muslims are not allowed to criticise Islam or Muslims. If they do, they risk losing their jobs and worse. Death threats and attacks are not uncommon. In Oslo, the capital of Norway, over the past three years foreign-born Muslim men have committed 100% of the assault rapes in that city (not including domestic violence and date rape). 100%. This was reported in the Norwegian press. The anti-immigration and classical liberal Progress Party has increased its number of seats by 58% in under nine years - from 26 seats in 2001 to 41 seats in 2009.

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We really don't mix much in many cases. The Muslim community here can and does get away with murder and are aided in this by the political elite. The people of this country never, ever voted for this and we can't remove it. This was forced on us. They've opened the doors and I can see there being serious conflict in the decades to come.

And that's ignoring the insidious rise of halal meat which is often forced on people without their knowledge or consent. A couple of the supermarkets have got into trouble by selling meat as halal and not telling their customers.



But it's only a minority, right?

This must be gotten under control. Muslims aren't to blame for this state of affairs at the end of the day, though they viciously take advantage of and abuse their privileges whenever they can and, as Condell says, threaten and sometimes carry out violence against their critics. The politicians are - they have bred this situation and are nurturing and nourishing it. It would be very easy to bring all this to an end but they are not interested in doing so.



Indeed. Nationalism is a dirty word. My real worry is that when it does return, it will be vicious, bloodthirsty and ethnic.

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Tequila, there are plenty of leftwingers in the UK who are critical of the country's immigration policy and also the effects of multiculturalism. It's just not a popular opinion on the left, so we keep quiet about it.

About your swimming pool though, as a Mancunian I found it kind of quaint that you are surprised by women swimming in Islamic swimming costumes. I've been seeing it all my life. That said, I go to the Aquatics centre in the city now because I got sick of feeling like a slut for wearing a normal swimming costume (never mind a bikini) and for swimming in the same pool as men. That is so alien to their culture that it made me feel uncomfortable.

EDIT: regarding halal meat. It's banned to Sikhs to eat any kind of meat that's killed to a religious specification (though a lot of Sikhs are veggie, anyway). They really should tell people, if only for that reason.

I'm not surprised by it - what I'm saying is that the swimming pools are essentially segregated along religious/sectarian lines. They don't come to 'our' swimming baths, lots of 'us' don't go to 'theirs'. Northern Ireland again?



Pointing all this out makes you a 'racist' (Islam is not a race, it is a religion, and a vicious, backward one with frequently vicious adherents too), though, when it's as clear as day that this is not what is going on. It's a cultural takeover by bigots and extremists. The peoples of Western Europe are being invaded - yes, invaded - and the respective governments will not do a damned thing to allay people's fears by, well, tackling the root cause. If they do, they have to face down every little extremist terrorist in the country.

The multicultis know that they have created a monster that they can't possibly fix. And all to rub people's noses in 'diversity'.

I think in situations like this groups like the EDL forming are very understandable.

Again, as I was saying - I live in a very white, very middle-class area. It's not really affecting us as it might do if it were you.

When this sort of thing really starts hurting middle-class towns I suspect things will turn about very quickly indeed.

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That reason and others. The main reason that it's unjustified and unjustifiable to trick people into eating food that they would not consent to if they knew. Lots of people might have no objections to eating halal meat but they need to be told about it. A lot of places like takeaways are very sneaky about this.

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Indeed - I know socialist anti-EU types in that vein too. But they keep quiet about their euroscepticism.

I quite like living where I live. I prefer living in the multiracial 'ghetto' to living in poor white areas. I just feel at home in places like this.

I just think the multicultural project has failed as regards Pakistani Muslims. They look down on the whites in the poor areas they often live in. Tbh, I can see why...but I've had to grow up with being treated like dirt by the odd Pakistani boy as a result of my skin colour. Obviously, they're not all like that, it's just that their culture lets them get away with it, if they're inclined to be that way. People turn a blind eye to this because it's an uncomfortable truth.

Also, I'm not against immigration at all, just the lack of control we have over it.

well density and a large population count is a basic requirement to make HSR work... in Japan its close to 90 million who have access to the trains and can access their places of employment using it... in France, a country of 65+ million people can help keep their HSR afloat but not as well as Japan's, but the state of california will barely reach 44 million in 2030? Its at 37 million right now, where do you plan on getting all of these people to make this train thingy work?