The US is heading toward a grave historical mistake.

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Prince Turki al-Faisal, former director of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former Saudi ambassador to the United States
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN

Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world

Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'

The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.



Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2

This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA

They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages

cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off

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So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?

Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....

On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.

Assuming that the Republican Party sweeps to power next year: all Moslem nations will be regarded as mortal enemies anyway.

I hope so.

The Democrats were always the better friends for Israel. Despite of what the lefties say about the Republicans.



It's Obama who's gonna make this true.

The Saudis are in no position to threaten us, their own people would rise up against that evil kingdom if it weren't for our muscle.

and our money

Neither Abbas nor Netanyahu are men who seem to want peace. I can't imagine it happening with either of them present.

UN votes won't change that.

It's been my experience that the vast majority of my fellow Americans really have little inkling what life is like for those in Israel, and have less than no inkling about what life is like for Palestinians.

It's too bad, really, because I seriously doubt our foreign policy would be what it is if they had any idea.



Most of them don't realize there is even anything important going on in the conflict. The football season has started. And if it weren't football, they'd be doing something else.

Never, ever, underestimate the isolationist tendencies of Americans. The bulk of people here don't take notice that other countries exist unless we want to go on a sightseeing tour or someone makes the severe mistake of harming Americans on the American mainland.



I can't say I understand the issues even remotely well, though I do seek out information from various sources to try to understand, at least somewhat, what they are.

As for the Saudis, you may see a gov't becoming truly opposed to U.S. gov't positions, but I have to wonder how much of that is just for domestic consumption. As long as the Saudi king depends on buyers for his oil, he will find it as difficult to make war with the West as the West finds it impossible to make war with the major oil-producing nations. And "war" includes diplomatic war as well as the literal sort.

The Saudi king seems to be affected by what's been going on in Arab countries. There are Saudis who seek goals of liberty just as there are people in the countries that are rising up against autocratic rulers.

How much of the standing tall against the U.S. is nothing more than yet another distraction to keep Saudis paying attention to what's going on outside their own country, so they don't get uppity about the problems in their own backyard?

Rulers of all sorts and of any culture are known to do this sort of thing. Certainly our politicians in the U.S. do it, and I seriously doubt Saudi rulers are so dimwitted they can't figure out it's a handy tool to maintain power.

You don't have to be Italian to realize that Machiavelli's methods can work.

Yes yes, the rank and file will be humoured in that way, and then just as has always happened, the backdoor money deals will continue to happen, because we need the oil and we all know who has the ability to manipulate prices at will.

but they just did, so what you are saying is irrelevant.

Sorry, but we're not going to sit idly by and let a second Holocaust happen.

After watching (re-colored) archive videos of WW2, I doubt the Palestinians would have the means (and the resolve) to A) Cut a human head in half and keep it in chloroform for "science" purposes. B) Make stuff out of human skin. Besides, even if it DOES occurs, you can bet your bottom dollar that every western nation would rush to avoid it, so why bother? Or at the very least, send boats for evacuation or the like. =.=

No the Palestinians just want to push all the Israelis into the sea and wipe them out down to the last infant.

Funny, haven't the Israelis done that as well when they shoved their houses further inland with their bulldozers? ^.-

I am sorry too, but the new rising Arab countries won't sit idly by and watch Israeli doing land-stealing(settlement) and leave Palestinians remaining stateless like this.

The 1967 borders are indefensible, the only reason Israel survived the Six Day war was cause they didn't wait for the Arab militaries to cross the border into Israel.

Trying to gain sympathy by fear-mongering. Typical.

and hear me well: if you won't admit for the Palestinians the right of a statehood, then all Arabs will deny it for the Israelis too.

Any next war with Arabs in the future will be "either us or you" war.