why i may withdraw my support for herman cain
The 999 plan is the most idiotic thing to come out of this Republican primary, and I'm including the "non-campaigning" Sarah Palin. It's epitomizes everything that's wrong with this country, that we're a nation of overgrown, undereducated, ADD-afflicted children. Virtually no thought went into this plan, and it shows. I could do better writing up a tax plan on a cocktail napkin while drunk off my ass. But as Americans, we'd rather have something easy to understand that makes us feel good than something that actually makes sense, cause making sense is for elitist liberal p*****s who spend all their time doing gay s**t like "thinking"
Cain, and all his followers should be forced to re-take 2nd grade, because you all obviously missed basic math.
The main problem with this plan is that it is highly regressive. How do the very poorest avoid the dreadful consequences of a sales tax. We are ALL consumers. We consume food, energy, clothing. Taxing consumption is inherently regressive.
True flat rate income tax (with a bottom cutoff to accomodate the poorest) which be reasonably fair. What would be best of all is to impose a uniform utility burden on all, in which the utility of income is taxed at a flat rate (again with a bottom cutoff). But utility cannot be measured very well, so that is only a theoretical proposal.
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supporters of Herman Cain, please read this. If you can refute it, please do. Herman is a fraud.
Why I would urge people who support Cain to not give up hope.
THE ATTACKS AGAINST HIM IS BECAUSE THE ESTABLISHMENT IS AFRAID OF HIM.
Sounds paranoid, I know, but this is the de facto operation of the mass media. The guy on top gets the guns aimed at him first. Cain is the rising star, he is resonating with the general population, for all his shortcomings, he still is more a "leader" than Romney or Perry...who are the more "acceptable" candidates for the RNC nomination.
So, I take anything said about Cain with a HUGE grain of salt.
Granted, IF the accusations are PROVEN true, he would be a death blow as the Republicans/conservatives supposedly stand for "values."
Problem...there is not going to be a valid fact-finding investigation. This is a trial in the court of public opinion where rules of evidence do not operate. This is mud slinging, and they are hoping to catch Cain in a blatant lie or get him to admit to something they can twist into proof of sexual harassment.
My issue....Obama had worse brought against him...especially on his proven Marxist, Communist, Socialist, radical revolutionary associations and beliefs...all of which were (and still are) very relevant to his holding the office of President. The media pretty much was silent. If the worst you can come up with against Cain is that he was "accused" of sexual harassment. It is nothing to worry about.
What America needs is tax reform. We need to abolish the current tax code that is nothing but a tool for the IRS to confound and abuse people and businesses. Maybe 9-9-9 won't pass at all, but something similar in concept will pass. Cain is the ONLY CANDIDATE pushing this issue other than Ron Paul. Going with Romney or Perry means no real tax code reform is going to happen.
As the president DOES NOT enact legislation, this is irrelevant. Obama's "single issue" was about wealth redistribution. Everything he touted was anchored in this. CONGRESS ENACTS LEGISLATION. The president only signs it into law or vetos it. The most a president can do is facilitate the enactment of legislation, but he can't force Congress to do anything...nor is it his job to do so. The job of the president, at heart, is to enforce the laws of the United States.
We allowed Obama, who has no real experience doing anything, to be president. They derided Palin being a VP candidate when she had more executive experience as governor of Alaska than Obama had doing anything. The hypocrisy of that position drove me crazy. No matter what a president believes, what he does will be largely shaped by the experts he puts in his cabinet to advise him on issues. He makes the final call, but even if you are die hard for one side of an issue, you might find out the reality is that your views won't work and can't be imposed.
Professional politicians are a huge part of America's problem. I don't see much value in putting in someone more "polished" who ultimately thinks like a politician.
Again, Obama had no foreign policy experience. There are advisers for that. The best foreign policy is to let those who spend their life training to do the job do their job. The president as Commander-In-Chief is a civilian safeguard, but no civilian really can tell the military how to best do their craft, and every military failure America has suffered since WWII is directly tied to politicians and presidents telling the military how to accomplish its mission when most of them have no training on how the job needs to be done.
We were okay with Obama. Null argument. Romney is "Obama lite." No changes will happen with him in office. Perry is "G.W. Bush lite." No changes will happen with him in office. Both are politicians. Ron Paul could stand for something, but we know the RNC will not give him the nomination. Gingrich has experience and a sharp mind, but he is the face of evil from the Republican party's past. If he got the nomination, you can bet a lot of middle-aged to elderly Democrats will turn out in force to vote against him. Even if he didn't do anything really bad when he was Speaker of the House, his face and name was the icon for everything negative associated against the Republican party in his time.
Cain's chief asset is that his is largely a political blank slate. You can't pin past politics on him. Unlike Obama, Cain has a proven track record of success that holds up to, if not outshines, the records of Romney and Perry.
Ultimately, you aren't going to get a "perfect" candidate, and frankly, most of your ill notions are the product of the media trying to crucify Cain on any bit of dirt they can dig up...true or speculative.
If you didn't support Romney or Perry before now, what makes you think bailing on Cain is such a smart idea? Do you not realize that this is what the media wants? Do you not realize that if Cain bows to pressure and leaves the race, whomever takes his place will then get all the fire from the media?
The only way Obama gets another 4 years is if the Republican party HANDS IT to him. The Democrats did this in 2004 by putting up Kerry/Edwards...two super liberals that infuriated conservatives so much that they had to show up to re-elect G.W. Bush. This was stupefying because the rules of running a campaign are....
1. Energize your base to come out to vote.
2. Don't do anything to upset your opponent's supporters lest they come out to vote.
3. Sway the undecided voters into your camp.
I was taught these rules by a campaign strategist FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Kerry/Edwards were so far to the left there was NO WAY conservatives would vote for them, and in 2004, conservatives were angry enough with how G.W. was running things that they would have considered voting for a moderate on the Democratic ticket. If they had put up a true moderate, they would have had the White House in 2004. Their choice of candidates went against everything that lays the foundation for running a political campaign. On top of that, Kerry/Edwards took a double-digit lead on G.W. and turned it into a 50/50 race by election day. What a brilliant choice (sic) if they were trying to win, right? No, but it was a brilliant way to ensure G.W. got another 4 years.
Our elections are set up. They are exercises in showmanship. You don't have a choice on election day. The choices are largely made for you, and sometimes the outcomes are pre-determined regardless of actual votes. The power elite CHOOSE who you get to pick from. If they don't get their #1 choice, their #2 pick is someone they can work with. Loose cannons like Cain or Ron Paul is what they are afraid of. They don't own them, and if the masses turn out and put them on the ballot, there is a chance the elite could have someone in power who they can't control at all.
Mock the Tea Party movement all you want, but for the first time in DECADES, the American people have been getting "outsiders" into public office...people who are doing what the people want, not the will of the power elite. If we can't keep up this trend, the elitists will own everything. This is the dying gasp of a free nation. Our electoral system is bought and paid for by special interests. If we can't/won't take it back now, when, if ever, will we?
THE ATTACKS AGAINST HIM IS BECAUSE THE ESTABLISHMENT IS AFRAID OF HIM.
Sounds paranoid, I know, but this is the de facto operation of the mass media. The guy on top gets the guns aimed at him first. Cain is the rising star, he is resonating with the general population, for all his shortcomings, he still is more a "leader" than Romney or Perry...who are the more "acceptable" candidates for the RNC nomination.
So, I take anything said about Cain with a HUGE grain of salt.
Oh, so this is where the birthers came from. That clears it up!
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That was a good defense, zer0netgain. It's been forever since I've read the entirety of such a long post.
I agree nearly 100% with everything you said.
The issue with Cain is, one shouldn't underestimate the positive national effects of having a very moral person in the White House, but one also shouldn't overestimate those effects. And I think, quite frankly, this is a difficult thing to evaluate. What if it comes down to Newt and Cain for the nomination, and (to perhaps oversimplify for a moment) we find that Newt is smarter, while Cain is more moral? Then how do we vote? I admit that's a head-scratcher for me. I guess I would like to see them running on the same ticket -- as long as the VP will actually have a substantial role. (If not, I don't care who the VP is.)
Ideally, I'd like to eventually see Cain improve to the point that he's debating like Newt, but that seems unlikely. Who wouldn't want to see Newt, or someone just as skilled, debate Obama?!
Cain totally punted on a healthcare question during the Nov 5 debate, and stuff like that bothers me. He literally stared into space when asked a question, and then asked Newt to go first. That brain freeze is not a moment I want to see repeated in the presidency. If I were Cain, I would be deep in learning and studying every waking hour until the nominee is chosen. It is sort of like a last-minute cram, but that doesn't necessarily mean it won't work.
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I think your heart is in the right place zero but Herman Cain is a terrible candidate and a proven liar. I [i[am[/i] afraid of him when I attack him because he is bubbling idiot and obvious corporate stooge and it's scary when a guy that incompetent can top presidential polls.
I see that you mentioned Ron Paul a few times, which I find interesting. You seem to recognize Ron as an honest man and true conservative but I don't understand how you can like Herman Cain at the same time when Herman Cain is pretty much the complete antithesis of Ron's ideas. Don't sell out your principles because you bought into the corporate media brainwashing that he's more "electable", for me it's Ron Paul or no one when it comes to voting Republican in 2012.
Intrade has Cain at 4.6% to get the nomination down from his high of 9 and a half.
his chance of dropping out before the new year is 23%
he owes me 347 dollars
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supporters of Herman Cain, please read this. If you can refute it, please do. Herman is a fraud.
Since the major states of the world are thug regimes, H.C. is just the man to deal with them. We need a Chief Thug to survive in the world. Ron Paul is the perfect candidate for the late 19 th century when there were few world powers that could threatend the U.S.
We need a Thug to deal with Thugs.
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I don't know what to make of Herman Cain lately. It seems to me that he's either telling the truth or he's not. If he is, he's in over his head. If he's not, he could have some narcissistic tendencies. Either way I'd vote for him over Obama (who in my mind is both in over his head and narcissistic,) but I don't think I'd vote for him in a primary.
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If the sexual harassment charges are proven against Cain (and I believe them to be true), this just goes to prove all the more that the Republican claims of being the party of values is nothing more than horses**t. Values is just code for bigotry, and is used to beat people over the head in order to create an enemy the feeble minded are led to believe they need protection from.
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I completely agree, the Republicans are nearly as bad as the Democrats!
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There are quite a few coincidences that would indicate that Herman Cain is being wrongly accused.
One of the Clinton accusers has come forward concerning how she tried to contact lawyer that one of the supposed victims in this case has as their attorney, and this lawyer never bothered to return her phone calls.
Then there are some other little coincidences that seem suspicious.
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