In your view was Jesus a human or God or both ?

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21 Nov 2011, 11:04 pm

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You don't think that rules of fairness apply to everyone, not just people you like?

What does that have to do with loving everyone equally or with your claim that Jesus was autistic?

Jesus had no respect for social hierarchies. He was totally autistic.

That's not an exclusively autistic trait, at all.

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21 Nov 2011, 11:08 pm

It doesn't need to be. Jesus was either autistic or NT. We have easily enough in common for me to know he's autistic.

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21 Nov 2011, 11:10 pm

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It doesn't need to be. Jesus was either autistic or NT. We have easily enough in common for me to know he's autistic.

You don't even have any writings directly from him. Do you by chance have a time machine?

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21 Nov 2011, 11:14 pm

People wrote about him extensively. His words, his deeds. There are modern compilations.

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21 Nov 2011, 11:47 pm

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Because you haven't thought about it with imagination. 'Healing' just means bringing someone back into the real world. A dying person will still be dying, we aren't talking about magic, but you can love them and accept them as an equal and this stops them fighting demons in their mind, then the mental wellbeing produced from this also has a pronounced physical effect. Science is catching up to the healing effects of love. I just happen to understand it. Jesus clearly did too.

Except it's stated that Jesus is very clearly capable of instantly healing physical afflictions (ie: leprocy). The power of love can't do that.

Nothing can do that. It's fictional. They made that bit up.

What about walking on water?

Or turning water into wine?

Or pulling a banquet for 5000 out of your hat?

Or rising from the dead?

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21 Nov 2011, 11:51 pm

When you have followers they become an uncontrollable avalanche of myth-creation.

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22 Nov 2011, 12:00 am

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People wrote about him extensively. His words, his deeds. There are modern compilations.

Of course, but there are no actual writings from Jesus. It seems far fetched to make an armchair diagnosis about someone who's writing has never even been read

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22 Nov 2011, 12:03 am

fraac wrote:

People wrote about him extensively. His words, his deeds. There are modern compilations.

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When you have followers they become an uncontrollable avalanche of myth-creation.

So erm, how do you separate out the myth from the history?

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22 Nov 2011, 12:04 am

DC wrote:

fraac wrote:

People wrote about him extensively. His words, his deeds. There are modern compilations.

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When you have followers they become an uncontrollable avalanche of myth-creation.

So erm, how do you separate out the myth from the history?

Especially when his own words have never been seen...

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22 Nov 2011, 2:27 am

Vigilans wrote:

DC wrote:

fraac wrote:

People wrote about him extensively. His words, his deeds. There are modern compilations.

fraac wrote:

When you have followers they become an uncontrollable avalanche of myth-creation.

So erm, how do you separate out the myth from the history?

Especially when his own words have never been seen...

Everything anyone thinks they know about Jesus, is hearsay and tall tales. About the only fact in the Gospels is Jesus saying Amen. He probably said that a lot. Amen.

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22 Nov 2011, 3:32 am

I believe there was just some guy names jesus from nazareth, who might have had some controversial things to say a couple of thousand years ago, that's all. Anything he said has been completely mis-interpreted, or completely fabricated in order to manipulate the populous.
For all we know maybe jesus never existed, and the whole darn thing is fabricated.

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22 Nov 2011, 3:36 am

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Whether you believe Jesus was really the Son of God or not, I think every legitimate historian accepts the fact that he actually existed.

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22 Nov 2011, 6:43 am

Extraterrestrial hybrid.

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22 Nov 2011, 8:27 am

DC wrote:

fraac wrote:

People wrote about him extensively. His words, his deeds. There are modern compilations.

fraac wrote:

When you have followers they become an uncontrollable avalanche of myth-creation.

So erm, how do you separate out the myth from the history?

Personal insight, and saying arbitrarily that impossible things didn't happen literally.

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22 Nov 2011, 11:53 am

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As a Lutheran raised by Lutherans, I'll chime in with the traditional view that he was both God and man. Or as John put it, "the Word made flesh."

You say Jesus is God.

But all men or mortal and Jesus is a man therefore Jesus is mortal.
But Jesus is God. Therefore God is mortal.
Bzzzzttt.

But Christ was also human, and could die. He then was resurrected, and thus lives eternally.

How would resurrection into eternal life make one a god?

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22 Nov 2011, 12:21 pm

leejosepho wrote:

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As a Lutheran raised by Lutherans, I'll chime in with the traditional view that he was both God and man. Or as John put it, "the Word made flesh."

You say Jesus is God.

But all men or mortal and Jesus is a man therefore Jesus is mortal.
But Jesus is God. Therefore God is mortal.
Bzzzzttt.

But Christ was also human, and could die. He then was resurrected, and thus lives eternally.

How would resurrection into eternal life make one a god?

That's putting the cart before the horse. He was able to become resurrected into eternal life because he was God.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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