Is Islamophobia any more justified than anti-Semitism?

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Not that I agree with most of those policies; some of them are completely insane. However, I will say this: the Dutch have much, much bigger cojones as a nation than the British have.

Well, yes, but the Islamised left say that about every statement on immigration they don't agree with so what I meant was that I'm surprised that people haven't voted BNP out of revenge. Not that I would ever vote for or like the BNP (who, I believe, are in total disarray at the moment). I think a proper anti-Islam alternative would be quite successful though as long as it's not too extreme. I must say that I don't agree with everything Wilders says.

The BNP did get about 5,000 votes in Rochdale last time out I believe?



Thing is, I can't find anything I want to vote for in the current Conservative party (and have had fruitless arguments with local Tories over this). The Liberal Democrats are a bunch of wasters and I would never, ever vote Labour so UKIP it is (even though I have some reservations about some of the membership). If I didn't vote UKIP I wouldn't vote.



This is true. If we had some form of proportional system, UKIP would have quite a bit of representation in the Commons but due to our system they don't.

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This is true.

I don't think Islamophobic means that. But I could be mistaken.

I do agree that Islam can ruin the life of a Muslim. But I don't think that Islam is the cause. I think that the cause is the culture. The Western culture successfully separated religion from its society. Religion is now only a side show. But in the Muslim countries, its still very much intertwined with so many parts of society. Why is this the case?

Well the West had a Renaissance and its still riding the coat tails of it. And many of the cultures around the world have adopted the values that were introduced and rekindled during the last 500 years or so since the beginning of the West's Renaissance. But some cultures have not had their awakening yet. The Arab culture is one of them. Without an awakening, Islam will continue to have the effect it has on those cultures.

But maybe this Arab spring is their awakening. I don't know.

I don't live near many Muslims so its hard for me to imagine how they affect society. Can you give an example?


This is because the Jews you speak of are Westerners.

No problem. I've stuffed up myself several times here. So it's understandable.

I don't doubt there have been mistranslations from the Arabic to the English but this is not one of them.



I don't actually believe in demons. I was just arguing what the Qur'an means by "jinna" and "shayateen".

WOW! Yes this is Islamophobia. And it spreads Islamophobia. Are these parties the crazies? Or are they mainstream?

They're considered the 'crazies' by all the other parties but they are very popular with a large proportion of the Dutch electorate - the PVV are the third-largest party in the Dutch parliament.

Having said that the Dutch have big problems with Islam that don't seem to apply in the United States though I find PVV a bit extreme for my taste.

What instead of why... that is the problem!

And then there's the SVP (Swiss People's Party), the largest party in Switzerland, with their anti-minaret referendum initiative. A famous poster they used from that campaign, making the minarets look like missiles:



The Swiss have a tiny Muslim population and only about four mosques with minarets in the whole country with no real history of violent Islam yet this didn't stop the SVP from demanding that no new minarets be built. They won the referendum and no more minarets can be built in die Schweiz.

It's worth noting that with regards to the Netherlands, that Amsterdam is now something like 40% Muslim there and a lot of native Dutch are not happy about the immigrants' behaviour in some instances. They feel invaded. Which is why.Geert Wilders is so popular.

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I think even if London was 40% Muslim, Britain still wouldn't have a major political party that was extreme enough to ban sales of the Qur'an!

Mein Kampf is also banned in the Netherlands.

Obviously, they have a different idea of what it means to be socially liberal there.

I dunno. Part of me admires the way the Dutch are so intolerant of intolerance and I wish the British had a dose of that spirit. Just a dose of it, mind.

As a side note, ever noticed that this sort of thing happens more often in formerly Calvinist countries (the Netherlands, Switzerland). I think they know very well where theology leads when you take it to its logical conclusion. Following this logic, I think we should give Scotland its independence after encouraging all our Muslims to move there.

The PVV argument is that, as Mein Kampf is a fascist and totalitarian book that was effectively banned after World War II and the end of the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands that the Quran is along similar lines and should also be banned.

Wilders also wants to have a lot of Muslims deported from the Netherlands.

Also, the Danish People's Party from Denmark is also very anti-Islam and wants to:

The party also does not accept a multi-ethnic transformation of Denmark,and rejects multiculturalism.

Party leader Pia Kjærsgaard has stated she does "not want Denmark as a multiethnic, multicultural society", and that a multiethnic Denmark would be a "national disaster".

The party seek to drastically reduce non-Western immigration, oppose islamisation, and favour cultural assimilation of immigrants.

In 2010, the party proposed to put a complete stop to all immigration from non-Western countries, a continuation of a proposal the month before to toughen the 24 year rule.

Cooperation with the Conservative-Liberal coalition government resulted in the implementation of some of their key demands, most importantly strong restrictions in immigration policies, which have resulted in what it described as Europe's strictest immigration laws.

The new government enacted rules that prevented Danish citizens and others from bringing a foreign spouse into the country unless both partners were aged 24 or over, passed a solvency test showing the Dane had not claimed social security for 12 months and could lodge a bond of 60,011 kroner (about 10,100 USD). One declared aim of this was to fight arranged marriages. These new rules had the effect that while about 8,151 family reunification permits were granted in 2002, the number had fallen to 3,525 by 2005. Some social benefits for refugees were also cut by 30-40% during their first seven years in the country, ordinary unemployment benefits being replaced by a reduced "start-up aid". Whereas the government coalition's declared aim with this was to improve integration by inciting people to work, immigration spokesman Søren Krarup of the Danish People's Party has expressed his content in that the start-up aid has decreased the number of economic refugees greatly, showing them that "one does not find gold in the streets in Denmark".

I can see the logic. I still disagree; I think banning either those books is wrong. Then again, the Nazis never managed to occupy my country apart from the Channel Islands, which aren't in the UK.



Too extreme, unless they are criminals.