Prison in America

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Yet you have an avatar of a noted law breaker, I think I can very correctly assume that you don't see the irony of that, since you don't understand metaphor.

Because any regular american citizen can up and change the law ......lol we can petition and hope the law gets changed, but actually changing it is another story. Also you do realize most people probably don't have the means or resources to relocate to a different country without that law.

In which case following laws based on BS, does not make one more deserving of freedom than someone who breaks these laws. Just my opinion though.

What about laws like, black people can't drink from public drinking fountains marked 'White Only'", or orientals must live in this fenced in area way out in the middle of the desert.
Those were real laws...

Do you realized many laws are finally changed by breaking them?

What about it being illegal to use flavored rolling papers to roll a cigarette?......something recent I just found out about, and now on the box the papers come in it says not for use with tobacco only legal herbs. Ha ha what a stupid regulation why should it matter whether you use them with tobacco or legal herbs? Guess someone better revoke my freedom before I use an apple flavored paper for my next cigarette.

I have long believed in a system based largely on the PRC's laogai (e.g. reeducation through labor, RTL for short) system for all dysfunctional and damaging persons in American society. Before anyone brings up the accusations of "human right's abuses", note that I am not denying nor questioning most, or really any, of those accusations but I do not see why prisoners should have so many "human rights."

Think about it: Why should criminals be allowed to, or, for that matter, want to, stay in a tiny, wretched cell almost all their time in a correctional system when they could be paying society back by doing hard labor. Furthermore, the reeducation component of this system would force prisoners to deal with their problems and also force them to fix them rather than just sit in a cell trying to break out or form stupid gangs. I have also developed a theory of keeping prisoners in correctional institutions not for a set period of time but for how hard they work: The lazy prisoner will not only be repeatedly punished, s/he will never get out of incarceration, save if, in my system, s/he is declared "unreeducatable" by a committee of judges and thus to be put to death. The prisoner who works hard and reforms herself/himself, however, will most likely get out very soon.

I'm also pretty sure he wants to bring back the death penalty.

You assume too much, and for no useful purpose.


If you don't like the laws the way they are, then either get them changed, change them yourself, or move to someplace where the laws are more to your liking. In any case, you'd be better off to stop whining about it.

So what do you think about Ms. Rosa Parks? Send her to prison? (in case you need a refresher...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks)

What do you think of the Jim Crow laws?

You really ought to read Solzyentizin to find out what the Gulags were really like.

ruveyn

By her example, she got the laws changed, and in a civil and respectful manner.


Those that have not been eliminated will be soon.

Like I keep saying: Either change the laws, get them changed, or move someplace where the laws are more to your liking.

Otherwise, people should stop all this damn whining about how the laws they don't like are "unfair".

I was about to ask Fnord two very similar questions. But I was thinking more in the lines of Anne Frank than Rosa Parks. One could also mention Alan Turing's chemical castration in this context.

By her example of openly disobeying a ridiculous and oppressive law.



It's not quite as easy to move someplace else as you seem to think. First you need to find a country that will have you.



It is this "whining" that gets laws changed. Martin Luther King used to "whine" a lot back in the day, and so did women suffragists. Had they done what you suggest and "stopped all this damn whining", things would have remained the same.

Pandabear wrote:

I’m not into standing in lines therefor I can’t be out of one.

Vigilans wrote:

The Democratic Party is on the left. Why do I say this? Because it’s sure as hell not on the right where I am and I’m only moderately right. I’d be able to see them from where I am if they were right or even moderate. I know and have known far right wingers and they make me look like a bawling liberal by comparison.

Hi Raptor, ruveyn, & Fnord (Abgal64, how's your Mao's Little Red Book project going against anything worse??),

Raptor, you are standing in lines that you overly recognize, but claim to deny, and are lines often called borders, limits, lines, districts, etc. Your lecturing everyone to stay inside their lines while you sing your song of Dixie sounds ridiculously absurd as the political stance of a globally hungry rattlesnake refusing to stay in its own snake pit. Because the neo-Conservative has Brass-Knuckles in the Right hand does not make the mace in the left hand "Liberal".

Ruveyn, your "wrongful death" stance only recognizes this nation's concerns of the dangers of nobody being left to torture. The State's counties have been concerned over the inhumane prison density being relieved by federal court order resulting in prisoner's near death being dumped off on the bankrupt counties. Having the bodies hauled out of the prisons just before total death sounds similar to deaths in the overly optimistic "Cancer Ward". This isn't the glory of opportunity of "work" to die, as death by any cause, not just suicide, reduces the opportunity of the State to apply torture just to the limits of death from pain. Raptor's, and his displaying his dunce cap, stance described as "Best of the Worst" still does not exonerate argued seperate but unequal evils as not involving evils. I've read most of Solzhenitsyn's works, and I've read some of his works expressing his concerns, before his death, of Russia being taken over by the Demons of Capitalistic Libertarianism too, with catastrophic results for anyone not talented at playing the biggest capitalist pig game at raiding resources once held for the common good.

Fnord, maybe the U.S.A. can buy the Berlin Wall, or maybe the Great Wall of China, and move it to the borders of the U.S.A., and see if anybody can figure out whether it's to keep "illegal humans" in or out of the Kafkaesque America of the Great U.S.A.

Tadzio

Well if I really wanted I could start a petition but for now I think I will continue rolling ciggerettes how I choose. If someone has an issue with it they can talk to me about it but I am not going to go out of my way to follow something so ridiculous. But also I think for obvious reasons there is no way for me to move anywhere........I believe some sort of accumulated money would be nessisary and that's not happening anytime soon. And I was using it as an example of a stupid law for the purpose of discussion not whining about it. No need to get personal just because I made a point you don't like.

ha ha ha ha!! !!