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So you're accusing moderators of using that thread to anonymously insult members?
I think you've made similar provocative comments about other moderators too, haven't you?

Oh hi, just wandered in here to check the thread because I was bored and found a giant fight about a moderator. Since I don't have a dog in this fight (or so much as an infraction), I'm going to go ahead and say this: grow up, Tequila. Hyperlexian hasn't done anything wrong or unfair in this thread or any other I've seen her posting in, and frankly you do come across as being bigoted and intolerant. Deal with it and move on or do something about it, but either way quit crapping this thread up with it, hey?

I think you should ease up on hyperlexian. She and I strongly disagree on some things and have argued to a standstill before, but she at least showed grace in withdrawing from the discussion rather than playing the "mod card". Some in this thread have suggested this might be the case elsewhere, and if so, I feel badly that she felt she had to. But that doesn't make her a terrible mod. At worst she should just have to choose whether to act in the role of mod OR PPR participant. PPR is not an easy place to moderate since it is so easy to confuse attacks on views as personal attacks. I have seen more dangerously biased and emotional mods in here than hyperlexian, and regardless of my personal feelings on the matter, I've never felt the need to call for their removal. It's also a pretty low thing to do in her absence.

Lord_Gareth: where d'you live? If you live in Canada, I can understand my views coming across as a bit intolerant if relations between Muslims and wider society is generally very good there (I haven't spent enough time in Canada to really comment). Individual Muslims - depending on where they live and their outlook - are often very much like the rest of us and want no hassle either. It's a very mixed bag here in the UK I think.

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Granted I was paraphrasing, but the sentiment is roughly the same I think.

There is also this (in response to Hyperlex) if you get the impression it is just me and Tequila ganging up on Hyper:



For the record, I don't think Hyperlexian should be deposed, but I do think she should do some soul searching about moral double standards and hopefully if she rejoins this debate I will be able to demonstrate the moral bankruptcy of her position.


PS I know I said I would shut it, but a felt the need to respond to the request for a quote and ban threat.

Yeah, I agree. I just feel like she has an unfair advantage in the discussion in that she is a mod and I'm on the opposing side during the discussion. I feel as though she is using her position unfairly in this case.

And yet she specifically stated that she was participating in this thread and not moderating it.

I live pretty close to Detroit, actually, but I've spent a two-year stint in Missouri and Kansas (pro tip: the only good reason to go to Kansas is to relocate its citizens to another nation) and traveled the USA from New York, New York to Los Angeles. Most muslims I've met tend to be law-abiding, literate folks with the same kind of problems and baggage as the rest of us (and I get into the same fraggin' debates about being an atheist with them too), whereas conversely most christians I've met tend to have extreme views about foreign policy, treatment of enemies and prisoners, and civil rights. I feel it's more a consequence of the culture you grow up in than the religion you hold - I mean, look at the general political will of, say, Alabama, and then try to tell me that it wouldn't pretty much be AmeriGhanistan if it was its own independent nation.

Do they wear niqab? Do they demand special treatment like some do here?

Perhaps there is a much greater drive to integrate amongst American Muslims (and a greater sense of 'melting pot'-ness) than there is here.

I live in the Mississippi Delta. This IS Amerighanistan, but arguably for different reasons!

Some wear niqab, though most folks in my home town prefer the head-wrap that leaves their face exposed. Not all do - there are plenty of Muslim women in cheap, off-brand clothing that doesn't reveal their figure (as the command is simply to 'dress modestly'), mostly jeans and T-shirts. As far as I'm aware, there's been no recent outcry of discrimination in the area I live, but we also have some of the highest concentrations of Muslims in the USA, so it may simply be that no one gives a damn because they all live here. On the other hand, there's been plenty of protests about people 'trying to take the Christ out of Christmas' and 'taking God out of school'.

And to put it in a different perspective: American Christian fundamentalism sounds pretty extreme and intolerant too. Neither is good. Secular liberalism is where it is at.

It's a funny thing, because I suspect most people have no real issue with headscarves (I find some of them quite sexy!). I certainly don't and after all, they used to be commonplace in our culture too in years gone by. But the niqab is another matter, especially when the rules that apply to the rest of us don't apply to them. The niqab is also a pretty misogynistic and misandristic garment as well.

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The capital with a total of about 650.000 people (13% of the country's total population) and if you count the whole region about 45% of the country's population. A population where "non-western" people constitute about 5% of that population and the total number of rapes was 50. Out of those 50, all of them were committed by non-western man against native Norwegian women.

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Have any American Christian fundies hijacked a commercial air flight and crashed it into a tall building?

Do American Christian Fundies strap on explosive packs and blow up supermarkets and bus-stops?

ruveyn

No, but some happily bomb abortion clinics.