Tell the truth about Islam!

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Does my religion (I don't have one) or culture praise giving a good shoeing to one's wife every once in a while? No? How odd.

doesn't matter because people do it anyways.

To discuss and debate the contents of a new video by a popular - and controversial - UK Internet blogger.

There's a difference between something going on in a culture and it not being officially approved of and is stamped out wherever possible and the kind of women-hating dogma in place in places like, ooh, Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

What do you hope to achieve by picking through the nasty bits of Islam?

the rates of violence are the same, so there is no difference in the result. with or without religious sanction there is suffering.

Shaking the British people out of their complacency by making them think about which parties tacitly support this nonsense, for one.

But WP is not "the British people" and you really ought to stop acting as if it is.

Who said I was doing that?

So you'd have no issues with living as a woman in Saudi Arabia, Iraq or Pakistan then if, as you claim, the rates of violence are the same?

Good luck seeking help with a violent partner over there. You'll need it.

ok, here's the nitty gritty. a map that shows the rates of female homicide by country. and guess what? muslim countries that they have data for have fairly low rates of female homicide. have a look at some of europe and south america. it's quite a contrast.

http://www.genevadeclaration.org/filead ... 11_CH4.pdf

i wish there were statistics for more countries, but it's definitely an interesting snapshot.

the rates of violence are the same, so there is no difference in the result. with or without religious sanction there is suffering.

Armed groups persistently target women who are
seen as breaking away from their traditional roles.
Numerous women in public positions have been
threatened, harassed, and killed. As reported by the
United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan:
Of five high-profile women interviewed in
2005 by a newspaper interested in covering
stories of Afghan women who wanted to
take a role in reconstructing their country,
three have been murdered and one had to
flee the country (UNAMA, 2009, p. 10).
Malalai Kakar, the highest-ranking female police
officer in Kandahar, was killed in September 2008,
allegedly because she was leading a unit of ten policewomen dealing with domestic violence (UNAMA,
2009, p. 11).
Young girls are also explicitly targeted with violence:
Insurgent groups have repeatedly attacked
education infrastructure in general and girls’
schools in particular. Security fears have
resulted in the closure of over 70% of schools
in Helmand province of Afghanistan (UNESCO,
2011, p. 15).
The Ministry of Women’s Affairs recorded 192 attacks
on schools by insurgent groups between July 2005
and February 2007 alone, including their looting,
burning, and total destruction. As a result of such
attacks, ‘parents fear sending their children to
school, especially daughters’ (MOWA, 2008, p. 11).
Today, only 66 girls are enrolled for every 100 boys
(UNESCO, 2011, p. .
Afghanistan suffers from extensive domestic violence directed against women.

the rates of violence are the same, so there is no difference in the result.

Another lethal scenario is the killing of a rape
victim in order to restore the family ‘honour’. For
example, in Libya women and girls who become
pregnant through rape run the risk of being murdered
by a family member in so-called ‘honour’ killings (Harter, 2011).
Other studies confirm that a
rape victim may be killed in defence of the family
‘honour’ (Ruggi, 1998; Faqir, 2001).

The MCB [Muslim Council of Britain] supported the 'Islam is Peace' advertising campaign which aimed to "break down barriers of suspicion and division, challenge stereotypes, combat prejudice, and offer an opportunity for strengthening the values of respect, tolerance and peaceful co-existence."

In April 2007, the MCB formally declared its support for the Equality Act, which outlaws discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.

Wikipedia: Liberal Islam
Canadian Muslim Union
Wikipedia: Islamic Feminism


Source: Wikipedia: Muslim Council of Britain

Islam will go through the same changes that Christianity went through. It might be slow but I'm pretty sure it will happen.

As for arguing that Muslims shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to the West because their religion is barbaric, there are some important points that are overlooked. First, the violence that occasionally happens in Muslim Communities in the West would happen anyway had they not immigrated. However, in the West we have the laws to prosecute this violence (and I fully support that prosecution), the capability to reach out and help Islamic women and gays who are being persecuted in their community, and there is the possibility that Western modernity will seep into their culture; no matter how segregated they are, they'll have a hard time blocking out everything.

I to think Islam will go threw those changes but unlikey that it will happen any time soon.

I suspect the only lessening of the violent impact of Islam will be with its number of adherents shrinking