A question for Atheists would you ban or outlaw Religion if

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Or government could simply be secularized--as it should be (and in some places already is). It is not as though there is a cross-cultural religious alliance against atheists. You give far too little credit to the ability of the religious to be tolerant and accepting of atheists (and anyone from any other religion). They are not all as ignorant as you suggest.



This would be an infringement of personal liberties. Private businesses can hire or not hire whoever they want to.

What has led you to so strongly doubt the ability of peoples to coexist?

One could argue that the head of state is their deity, even if it is not explicitly stated as such.

I think that the teaching of any ridiculous superstition (including religion) to the under 18s should be banned. When they reach adulthood let them make their own minds up whether they want to believe in the silly nonesense.

That depends on the religion. Some religious organisations need to be criminally investigated and shut down, imho.

They won't die off... they don't even believe in their fairy tales... only a handful of them do... The rest just pretend! How can I get you to understand this? I know it was hard for me to figure out, but that's what it is.

They will just continue their social pretense and we will discontinue it. Problem solved. No one will have to be tortured under their system and the people they don't like will be removed to ours where we they can live as equals, the way they were meant to. Not as some second class citizen or slave that's been gulled into ignorance.

Speak for yourself. I'd just dedicate cities for Atheism. No need to move the majority. The minority can move to their freedom as the early American's did.

If I pretend to kill you, you're still gonna end up hurt.

Pretence or actually foolishness, if the religious want to separate from the Atheists, let 'em. However, I will not budge from my home because a bunch of pompous arses in robes show up and tell me their nonsense dictates I must leave. I don't see why I should have to run from a bunch of ignorant fools that will likely be proven wrong in the end anyway.

Saying your an Atheist says you are an outsider to religion. People suddenly think you have moral deficits. They think religion is perfect and they'd rather you be an Atheist so they know who you are, so they will use social pretense on you depending on how naive they are to let you think they respect your choice... Actually they do respect your choice, it is a benefit for them. What they don't respect is you. So yes, it suits them to be tolerant because they can weed you out and make assumption of you that may or may not be true. Too often we subscribe to the social pretense that we are presented with in order to feel like we are part of something bigger. Too often that says the wrong things about us and we don't even understand how. So people can assume the worst of you. Christian to Christian or religious to religious though, they know what each other are saying and know the truth of their religion and how to express that they know. So we never even really know them. We are ignorantly isolated from the rest of our fellow man because of this thing called religion. So as there are so few atheists and those who are atheist often subscribe to a form of atheism that is created by people in support of religion... Atheist living is currently a farce and no different than having a religion. I don't want to support religion. I want my dissent known and I feel that no one should have to learn something in childhood that will be used to make them ignorant in adulthood. Nothing should be taught as a way to make people more ignorant. We are all better off if there aren't ignorant people. We are all better off not believing people are more ignorant than they are. We are all better off when we can communicate and be understood by everyone. Not having this means not really having that freedom we cherish so much. It means no one died for you... So the very people who believe someone died for them at the core of their hearts are the people who are dieing for us. How ironic. It's unsettling to me.

Still too damaging in my opinion. People can still express their beliefs and poison people for the future. I'd prefer banning religion outside of the home. No expression of religion anywhere someone under the age of 35 might be exposed to it sounds much better to me.

You missed the part about them not really believing didn't you...

Even though I would love a logic driven not faith driven government .I feel the stupidity of the average person with good intention would f thing up more than thay are now in the us.

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Extermination camps.

You need to meet better religious people. What you're suggesting would strengthen cultural fear, isolation, and hatred. Religion is not this all-corrupting force you're suggesting it is, and you're hardly helping your cause by repeatedly insisting that coexistence is impossible and undesirable. Have you honestly never met or heard of a single religious person that you respect? I know I have. Don't throw them all under the bus just because the majority of them suck. The majority of any given population sucks anyway.

Religion has never been the problem. I would ban fundamentalism. On the other hand, relatively organized, moderated versions of religion are not the source of the problem. Some of them, like the LDS Mormons, can be a nuisance toward certain minorities, but they do not act with the unrestrained, unmoderated viciousness and spite of fundamentalist Christians of the ultra-charismatic stripe.

Pentacostals in Middle America are not joking when they talk about a "spiritual war," but they are a growing terrorist threat that we have been ignoring. When they can no longer get their agenda into mainstream politics, they will resort to violence. It is not an if/maybe thing: when they have realized that they no longer rule the roost, they are going to become militant and dangerous, and nothing is being done to prepare for it or to hedge against it. We are going to have the same problem that Central Asia has, which is relatively level-headed religious people and the odd atheist having to contend with a menace to society that is determined to destroy everything they can because they think that it might summon their messiah for them to do so. It's going to get worse.

But no, I would not outright ban religion, just fundamentalism.

Example:

We shouldn't tolerate things like this. You obviously don't even know why you'd really be killing these people. If one would kill in ignorance it would not be a good sign. This is how the religious people win moral arguments. People suggesting either death camps for the religious or religion in Atheist cities need to be debriefed on religion and kept in confinement until they understand what is happening. We don't allow ignorance of religion in A. land.

You still don't understand. If you can't see through religion, you being harmed by it. You need to take a closer look. If you have any questions PM me.