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12 Apr 2012, 3:48 pm

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America was founded on Christianity therefor Gay Marriage should be illegal in America.


False.

Just check the constitution. Separation of church and state.


Way too limited if you ask me... Check my earlier post that is a much better basis for government.



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12 Apr 2012, 3:55 pm

I wouldn't if I had that kind of power, no, but I wouldn't be devastated if someone else made that decision for my people.


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12 Apr 2012, 4:10 pm

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I wouldn't ban religion but I would restrict it a bit more than it is now.

I would ban the making of any exemptions in laws on religious grounds.

I would remove the charitable status of religions and tax them as a business.

I would subject religions to the 'sales of goods and services act' - If I sell you a banana shampoo and claim it will lower your cholesterol, I am legal required to be able to prove that statement. If I sell you a holy banana and say that god guarantees it will cure cancer - the same laws should apply.

I would also hold preachers partially liable for the religiously motivated actions of their flock. - If you spend all your time preaching that devils posses children and then a mother that attends your church decides to torture her child to death on the grounds that they are possessed, the preacher of that church should also do some serious jail time.


Other than that, go nuts on the sky fairy front. :lol:


Rather it should read that if you make any claim that your religion can heal in and of itself and not with medical treatment or conspiracy to pay your medical bills... what a difficult argument this is to make it's almost as if in order to argue against religion, one has to argue with a sociopath. Nothing you say can have any effect on religion because religion says so... it's so fricken arrogant! Ok, let's try this again. Tests must be done in order to prove the efficacy of any claim made by religion or it may not be written. Jesus came back from the dead? Prove it! God can heal with magic and doesn't need human medicine? Prove it! It's amazing how short the bible would be if all of the statements about miracles had to be proven! Surely an all powerful God could do that sort of thing, right? Proof would be easy! All he'd have to do is say poof! and there would be proof! The claims of religion to affect disease must be evaluated by the FDA in the same manner as any other drug and compared with the efficacy of Atheism as a control.

Religion must also be banned from causing any disease to another person.

However in order to do this, religion pretty much has to be banned. Please don't take this as a replacement for my previous separated society... That is what I want, but for the regulation of religion on the religious side, they need to have rules and can't say what doesn't happen and can't conspire against citizens as this is criminal behavior.



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12 Apr 2012, 4:15 pm

No.

But the horrible amount of money spent into science and critical thinking education will probably make religion fade away.


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12 Apr 2012, 4:35 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
No.

But the horrible amount of money spent into science and critical thinking education will probably make religion fade away.


Sadly this is not a hopeful statement... religion is more than just a bunch of idiots... it's a group of conspirators that has gotten way to big and overpowering. A safety zone must be established for those who wish to escape it.



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14 Apr 2012, 12:55 am

I'd be willing to accept all religions as long as they agree to take on one additional commandment: "Keep Thy Religion To Thyself."
:) RIP George Carlin.



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14 Apr 2012, 12:56 am

scubasteve wrote:
I'd be willing to accept all religions as long as they agree to take on one additional commandment: "Keep Thy Religion To Thyself."
:) RIP George Carlin.


I am one of the few religious people that do keep thy religion to thyself.



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14 Apr 2012, 1:07 am

No.

But i'd take away their tax exempt status at the drop of a political or policy suggestion.



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14 Apr 2012, 1:14 am

blauSamstag wrote:
No.

But i'd take away their tax exempt status at the drop of a political or policy suggestion.


Consider it suggested. :)



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14 Apr 2012, 1:17 am

The religoious community do pay taxes if your talking about churches not getting taxed is because a church is not a business but a place of whorship.



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14 Apr 2012, 1:32 am

scubasteve wrote:
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The religoious community do pay taxes if your talking about churches not getting taxed is because a church is not a business but a place of whorship.


Well yes, we're talking about the church organizations. And I hope there is no whorship going on there... don't think they'd take kindly :lol:


Well I think they should be taxed of course but the govermenent doesn't view them as a busniess but we do get taxed on things like electricity bill ect the church meembers do get taxed by the organization we give willingly to the church and every year the church pays a lot back in taxes to its coummunity saying we do not get taxed is not true we do at the end of the year.



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14 Apr 2012, 3:50 am

No, I would not ban religion if I ran the government. People should be able to pursue religion if they want to. Besides, it has been tried, and has only succeeded in driving it underground.

Hopefully, all people will eventually evolve beyond "belief without reason." Government can not, nor should not attempt to mandate this evolution.

Other posts in this thread have effectively dealt with the notion that the USA was established as some sort of Theocracy.

On the tax question, I would say that those parts of Church activity which are charitable should not be taxed. The rest should be taxed.



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14 Apr 2012, 4:14 am

abacacus wrote:
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America was founded on Christianity therefor Gay Marriage should be illegal in America.


False.

Just check the constitution. Separation of church and state.

Even considering that was true it would still be a fallacy.

There are way more mentions on the bible to the sanctity of a marriage and how marriages are a lifetime commitment. If you are going to use the bible argument you should first make sure that divorces are made illegal since its doing a bigger harm on what the bible teaches.

Since I havent seen any christian asking to ban divorces I call bs on this religious stance on same sex marriage
(Not encouraging anyone to do this just pointing out the double standard thats used with the religious stance on gay marriage/divorce)



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14 Apr 2012, 6:12 am

mikecartwright wrote:
A question for Atheists would you ban or outlaw Religion if you could ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism


Absolutely not. I would not in any way interfere with religion privately practiced. All of us, regardless of what religion we have or do not have construct some kind of thought and value system which defines (for each of us) our place in the Cosmos. It is a human thing. All humans with working brains do it to some extent or other. Since this kind of "religion" is subjective, it behooves us not to impose it on others in an obnoxious or harmful fashion. So if people very quietly practice their religion at home or in church (in a way that does not disturb the peace), I have no issues or problems with it at all.

Look at it this way: I would not want someone else to interfere with the way I think or look at the world. Therefore I do not interfere with others.

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14 Apr 2012, 9:16 am

No, I would set up a secular state (I'm American).


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14 Apr 2012, 11:09 am

mikecartwright wrote:
If you want to ban and or outlaw Religion why don't you just join the Communist Party ?


Even then, Albania was the only Communist country to ban religion (from 1967-1990).


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