Examples of How Feminism Helps Men.

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By its nature, challenging the definitions of women's social roles and what they're allowed to be/not allowed to be it also challenges that for men - whether by the same people or different, just by contagion.

Terlingua, several people made posts early in this thread pointing out that feminism has broadened the scope of practice for men in this society, allowing them to take greater part in childcare and to have non-stereotypical interests like cooking or decorating. Your response was, 'well, men have done that in these other cultures deep in the past, and there's this famous Chinese guy who likes to cook.'
I then asked, are we talking about what feminism, as a movement that emerged in western culture over the last 100 years, has done for western culture over the last 100 years, or are we asking what feminism has done for men that's new on the face of the earth? You have not answered.

such is life I guess.

Oh, for a second I thought this thread deserved to be taken seriously. Thanks for helping me find out it shouldn't.

You are free to argue that, my understanding of communism is that its a revolutionary socialist movement that AIMS to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social structure, but the fact that such has not yet been accomplished by the revolution does not mean that a system or country is not communist.

Don't communists call Communist countries "state capitalist" or somesuch? Sounds like a nice, easy get-out clause.

Communism is an ideology that is very vulnerable to "The end justifies the means" types of thinking, therefore attempts at creating what Marx called "Pure communism" have a tendency to be anything but the Utopia communism is supposed to be. However, adherents to the communist religion tend to view anything short of "pure communism" as envisioned by Marx as not being communism.

It's a bit like saying "Only 98% of the inhabitants in our country are in the military, so we aren't really militaristic"

Communism is a good idea in theory but really hard to put into practice.

Communism can only work in a world where everything is abundant.

*cough* Star Trek *cough*

The kinds of families that break up like that are usually one's that shouldn't have been together in the first place.

When you have real choices, you usually make better one's. I am with my husband for life, period, and not because I can't afford to leave him. We both know we are committed to each other, and our kids know it.

Wow. Thanks. That made my parents' divorce much easier to process. My parents were nothing more but fake choices because they were doomed to fail! Never mind victims of circumstance, the only "real" choices are soulmates!

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i don't really get why the nuclear family is something to cherish. it's an old paradigm, and not a universal one. times are changing, and it is not necessarily bad.

It is the natural paradigm of the human species, if it was not then things like pairbonding would be pointless.

no, it's not necessarily the natural paradigm. it probably arose as a side effect of settled agricultural societies. and yes, pairbonding might be pointless for a lot of people. some do and some don't, but it's not really universal considering how often people engage in serial monogamy, cheating, divorce, polyamoury, etc.

I was speaking in the context of when the nuclear family was considered the atomic unit of civilization. I did not say I felt it should be the standard today.

However, I do feel a family is important, regardless of its structure. I will be offering a son's perspective on this, but I must admit it is more emotional and rhetorical than rational. I do not want to get too personal, so I'll avoid sharing too much of my background. All I'll say is that my parents care so much about their post-divorce disputes with each other that they often do not see how it makes me feel.

Please understand I really wish I had a close-knit family. I have weak emotional connections in my family that are dwarfed by bonds with my friends. This bothers me because it makes me feel as if being related to someone directly by blood does not mean they won't feel like strangers. Even if society's idea of the family changes, I feel it is vitally important that a solid one exists for kids. The alternative is emotionally taxing, but it is likely to happen when parents focus more on their own independence than the relationships they've developed.

After your mother changes her last name to not share yours or your father's, mediating hundreds of phone calls between parents that refuse to talk to one another (even when it comes to issues that concern you), and listening to your father threaten to physically hurt your mother to your face, you start to secretly wish they did not have the choice to break up. You wish that they could not simply toss aside their responsibilities as parents. You wish that they could understand that in their pursuit for liberty, they destroy any emotional safety net for their kids that they once agreed to maintain.

I want emotional connections to my own blood. I can't really explain why, but I really do.

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