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ArrantPariah
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10 May 2012, 2:48 pm

When it comes to religious art, the Catholics, Hindus and Buddhists really have it over the Protestants, Jews and Moslems.

I thought that "Liberals" generally had it over "Conservatives" when it came to political art, given that "Liberals" tend to be more creative and intelligent.

An unusual "Conservative" artist is Jon McNaughton. http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/

Here is an interesting piece, "One Nation Under God"

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Jesus giving us our constitution, with what looks like Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Reagan, and a few other personnages of renoun in the background.

And, here is his piece "One Nation Under Socialism"

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with President Obama burning the constitution. Not at all subtle as a propaganda piece, is it?

So, please discuss this and other artists or art pieces (please post images) that are related to propaganda, religion, politics, philosophy, etc., and their roles in the world.



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10 May 2012, 2:58 pm

Ah, I knew it! Jon McNaughton is Mormon. His paintings reminded me of artwork that I saw in a Mormon church.

http://www.mormonwiki.com/Jon_McNaughton

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Jon McNaughton is a Mormon artist whose most recent paintings have caused a stir. Since members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the U.S. Constitution was divinely inspired, and that the Founding Fathers were raised up to bring it to fruition, McNaughton painted Jesus Christ holding the document and historical figures surrounding Him, either sincerely trying to uphold it, or not. The painting is titled, "One Nation Under God."



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10 May 2012, 3:01 pm

:lmao: :lmao: omfg that painting, "One Nation Under God"... I want.


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10 May 2012, 3:05 pm

That painting will go great with my Dale Earnhardt NASCAR Hall Of Fame Trophy Sculpture, only $199.99 CAD http://www.bradfordexchange.ca/products ... pture.html

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10 May 2012, 3:21 pm

Here is his Via Dolorosa

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http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/images/ima ... etched.jpg

He has Karl Marx, Lenin, King Henry VIII, Hitler, Stalin and what looks like Jerry Falwell holding a Bible. Mother Theresa, and a Jew looking for a handout. Just about everyone but the Beatles.

A young guy in a suit--most likely a Mormon missionary--touching Jesus on the shoulder with one hand, and using his other hand to tell people to hush down. He probably wants to tell Jesus about the Book of Mormon.

Pope John Paul is to the far right, doing a face palm. Which is understandable.



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10 May 2012, 3:41 pm

http://www.shrox.com/NeverForget.jpg

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I did this after 9/11.



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10 May 2012, 4:15 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
I thought that "Liberals" generally had it over "Conservatives" when it came to political art, given that "Liberals" tend to be more creative and intelligent.

Dude. If you're going to align yourself with an ideology that is against bigotry, then it might be a good idea to not act like a bigot.



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10 May 2012, 5:17 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
When it comes to religious art, the Catholics, Hindus and Buddhists really have it over the Protestants, Jews and Moslems.



Jews and Muslims are enjoined from making and attaching importance to graven images. Protestants simply are untalented.

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10 May 2012, 5:48 pm

ruveyn wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
When it comes to religious art, the Catholics, Hindus and Buddhists really have it over the Protestants, Jews and Moslems.



Jews and Muslims are enjoined from making and attaching importance to graven images. Protestants simply are untalented.

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10 May 2012, 8:26 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Here is his Via Dolorosa

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http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/images/ima ... etched.jpg

He has Karl Marx, Lenin, King Henry VIII, Hitler, Stalin and what looks like Jerry Falwell holding a Bible. Mother Theresa, and a Jew looking for a handout. Just about everyone but the Beatles.

A young guy in a suit--most likely a Mormon missionary--touching Jesus on the shoulder with one hand, and using his other hand to tell people to hush down. He probably wants to tell Jesus about the Book of Mormon.

Pope John Paul is to the far right, doing a face palm. Which is understandable.


This is like a Where's Waldo? picture. In the back to the left, you can make out Osama bin Laden, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and President Obama, standing together as if they had come in together.

I wonder who the blonde chick is behind the Jew and in front of the Chinese Communist fellow?

Napoleon is scratching his belly between Stalin and Hitler.

I still can't find the Beatles anywhere. :chin:



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10 May 2012, 8:42 pm

Another fascinating piece: The Forgotten Man.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-msxWnpvv0gE/T ... ughton.jpg

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A melancholy guy in a Brokeback Mountain outfit, sitting on a park bench; dollar bills and various papers scattered on the ground. President Obama treading upon the US Constitution. Presidents Clinton and both Roosevelts clapping, with Clinton and FDR looking off in the same direction as Obama. All of the other presidents looking aghast, and wondering why this slave is wearing a suit.



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10 May 2012, 8:50 pm

Bizarre how conservatives view Obama. His behaviour tends to be the same as their's, except that he talks about it in a more populist fashion. Contrary to what the above image might suggest, Obama is no FDR.

Anyway, I read an interesting idea about the relationship between art and belief. The writers proposed that once a formerly terrifying or awesome entity is expressed in art (theatre, painting, what have you) it gets focused down to that image in people's minds. With that image in mind the entity becomes much easier to question and doubt. They proposed that this was part of how the West lost belief in things like elves and, even more dramatic, the waning influence of Christianity. If this theory is true then it would have real implications for how easily iconoclastic religions can be liberalized. Not to say that it's impossible (we see liberal Jews and even a few liberal Muslims after all), but it might be more difficult.



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10 May 2012, 9:00 pm

Burzum wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
I thought that "Liberals" generally had it over "Conservatives" when it came to political art, given that "Liberals" tend to be more creative and intelligent.

Dude. If you're going to align yourself with an ideology that is against bigotry, then it might be a good idea to not act like a bigot.


Are you saying that there are some right wing nut jobs who are artistic and creative? Well, show us some examples, and we'll decide whether you are right.

Jon McNaughton's art seems reminiscent of the "heroic realism" of the Third Reich

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The art of the Third Reich, the officially approved art produced in Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1945, was characterized by a style of Romantic realism based on classical models. While banning modern styles as degenerate, the Nazis promoted paintings and sculptures that were narrowly traditional in manner and that exalted the "blood and soil" values of racial purity, militarism, and obedience. Other popular themes for Nazi art were the Volk at work in the fields, a return to the simple virtues of Heimat (love of homeland), the manly virtues of the National Socialist struggle, and the lauding of the female activities of child bearing and raising (Kinder, Küche, Kirche)....

Nazi art bears a close similarity to the Soviet propaganda art style of Socialist Realism, and the term heroic realism has sometimes been used to describe both artistic styles.

Among the well-known artists endorsed by the Nazis were the sculptors Josef Thorak and Arno Breker, and painters Werner Peiner, Adolf Wissel and Conrad Hommel.


Here is an example of a Conrad Hommel painting

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The only things missing are Jesus and the Beatles. Jon McNaughton also included Hitler in his work.



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10 May 2012, 10:45 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Are you saying that there are some right wing nut jobs who are artistic and creative? Well, show us some examples, and we'll decide whether you are right.

I would appreciate it if you didn't throw me red herrings.

If you are going to align yourself with modern liberalism, an ideology in which one of the most important views is tolerance and anti-bigotry, then it would be wise not to make statements such as "liberals tend to be more intelligent than conservatives" otherwise you will look like a tit.



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11 May 2012, 6:49 am

Burzum wrote:
I would appreciate it if you didn't throw me red herrings.


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Burzum wrote:
If you are going to align yourself with modern liberalism, an ideology in which one of the most important views is tolerance and anti-bigotry, then it would be wise not to make statements such as "liberals tend to be more intelligent than conservatives" otherwise you will look like a tit.


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