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Ronald Reagan was a:
Hero! 25%  25%  [ 14 ]
Villain! 53%  53%  [ 29 ]
Meh, I don't know. Just show the results. 22%  22%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 55

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19 Jun 2012, 7:13 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Inuyasha, you righties really are buying into your own propaganda!
Trust me, no American liberal sees the Soviet Union as any sort of utopia.

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Actually Kraichgauer, a lot of liberals do think that. A lot of other liberals like Mao and Communist China.

We also have people like Bill Ayers teaching those whom are supposed to be teaching our kids, to teach kids to think Socialism and Communism is good.

I don't think every liberal thinks of the Soviet Union as a sort of utopia, but quite frankly there are a lot of them that do.


Bill Ayers had been a left wing whack job, and even though he's since tuned it down, he is hardly representative of any liberals in America. No more than the Grand Dragon of the KKK represents Republicans, even though the Grand Dragon would claim he represents conservative values.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


In case you hadn't noticed the kook from the KKK was a registered Democrat whom tried to switch to the Republican party (I assume you are referring to David Duke), and Republicans actively sabotaged his political campaign, even putting out ads for people to vote for the Democrat over the clown from the KKK. He was never accepted.

Furthermore, Bill Ayers has never toned it down, would you like me to find the Times, September 11, 2001 article which was an interview with Bill Ayers? It wouldn't be the first time I posted that article here.


I wasn't referring to Duke; rather I was making a generalized example. As for Duke being a registered Democrat - that isn't surprising since until recently, most southern whites had been Democrats, as they are still fighting the Civil War, but changed parties when the Republicans openly appealed to their conservative values.
And whether or not Ayers toned down his ideas or not, he still doesn't represent any Democrats I've ever heard of.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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19 Jun 2012, 7:15 pm

Bill Ayers is still irrelevant to the present discussion, which is about how much of a villain President Reagan was.



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19 Jun 2012, 7:20 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Bill Ayers is still irrelevant to the present discussion, which is about how much of a villain President Reagan was.


Quite true.

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19 Jun 2012, 7:33 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Bill Ayers is still irrelevant to the present discussion, which is about how much of a villain President Reagan was.


Quite true.

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You have to pay attention to that Pie Schick maneuvre, or every discussion will be about Bill Ayers, what's-his-name (that rich Jew that gets vilified so often), and Canadian mooses.



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19 Jun 2012, 8:31 pm

Another evil thing that Ronald Reagan did was to stop social security payments to retirees' dependents who were over 18 and in college. Fortunately, I graduated just in time.



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19 Jun 2012, 9:18 pm

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Another evil thing that Ronald Reagan did was to stop social security payments to retirees' dependents who were over 18 and in college. Fortunately, I graduated just in time.


He didn't stop it. At the time it was the law.

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19 Jun 2012, 9:25 pm

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Another evil thing that Ronald Reagan did was to stop social security payments to retirees' dependents who were over 18 and in college. Fortunately, I graduated just in time.


He didn't stop it. At the time it was the law.

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Well, he didn't put a stop to stopping it.

Until Reagan, politicians were knocking themselves out over sending everyone to college. Then, most of the baby boomers finished college, and college students were no longer a priority. Tax credits for child care suddenly became a top issue after Reagan. Mothers were to work and warehouse their little ones all day.



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19 Jun 2012, 9:31 pm

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Well, he didn't put a stop to stopping it.

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The President is obliged to execute the laws of congress.

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19 Jun 2012, 9:45 pm

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Well, he didn't put a stop to stopping it.

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The President is obliged to execute the laws of congress.

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Which is something that Mr. Reagan failed to do when he felt like it.



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19 Jun 2012, 9:51 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
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Well, he didn't put a stop to stopping it.

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The President is obliged to execute the laws of congress.

ruveyn


Which is something that Mr. Reagan failed to do when he felt like it.


You have Reagan confused with Barack Obama.



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19 Jun 2012, 9:56 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Well, he didn't put a stop to stopping it.

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The President is obliged to execute the laws of congress.

ruveyn


Which is something that Mr. Reagan failed to do when he felt like it.


You have Reagan confused with Barack Obama.


Not at all, and this thread is about Ronald Reagan. Stop trying to change the subject, or I'll tell a moderator on you and get you in trouble. Barack Obama had nothing to do with the Iran-Contra scandal.



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19 Jun 2012, 10:02 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:

Well, he didn't put a stop to stopping it.

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The President is obliged to execute the laws of congress.

ruveyn


Which is something that Mr. Reagan failed to do when he felt like it.


You have Reagan confused with Barack Obama.


Not at all, and this thread is about Ronald Reagan. Stop trying to change the subject, or I'll tell a moderator on you and get you in trouble. Barack Obama had nothing to do with the Iran-Contra scandal.


1. You assume Reagan knew about Iran-Contra, hate to break this to you but the President doesn't necessarily know about every black-ops. There is something known as plausible deniablity, because they never bothered to tell him...

2. It was an ongoing black-ops operation where Reagan could either jeopardize the lives of a bunch of CIA agents or lie (and I don't think Reagan was ever under oath to begin with). Jeopardizing the safety of CIA agents on an active mission is fairly close to treason...

Another thing, this is entirely relevant to Obama, because you're accusing Reagan of things that Obama does on a regular basis.

Now, I know you want to go back to demonizing a great American President to distract from how awful Barack Obama has been as a President, but I'm gonna call you out on it.



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19 Jun 2012, 10:08 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:

Well, he didn't put a stop to stopping it.

.


The President is obliged to execute the laws of congress.

ruveyn


Which is something that Mr. Reagan failed to do when he felt like it.


You have Reagan confused with Barack Obama.


Not at all, and this thread is about Ronald Reagan. Stop trying to change the subject, or I'll tell a moderator on you and get you in trouble. Barack Obama had nothing to do with the Iran-Contra scandal.


1. You assume Reagan knew about Iran-Contra, hate to break this to you but the President doesn't necessarily know about every black-ops. There is something known as plausible deniablity, because they never bothered to tell him...

2. It was an ongoing black-ops operation where Reagan could either jeopardize the lives of a bunch of CIA agents or lie (and I don't think Reagan was ever under oath to begin with). Jeopardizing the safety of CIA agents on an active mission is fairly close to treason...

Another thing, this is entirely relevant to Obama, because you're accusing Reagan of things that Obama does on a regular basis.

Now, I know you want to go back to demonizing a great American President to distract from how awful Barack Obama has been as a President, but I'm gonna call you out on it.


:roll: Bill Ayers, then Barack Obama. Are you going to work in Nancy Pelosi, next? If you don't want to contribute to this discussion, which has nothing to do with either of these characters, nor the number of mooses in China, then start your own thread.



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19 Jun 2012, 10:54 pm

Ronald Reagan was a backlash because we lost the Vietnam war because of those hippies.



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19 Jun 2012, 11:20 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:

Well, he didn't put a stop to stopping it.

.


The President is obliged to execute the laws of congress.

ruveyn


Which is something that Mr. Reagan failed to do when he felt like it.


You have Reagan confused with Barack Obama.


Not at all, and this thread is about Ronald Reagan. Stop trying to change the subject, or I'll tell a moderator on you and get you in trouble. Barack Obama had nothing to do with the Iran-Contra scandal.


1. You assume Reagan knew about Iran-Contra, hate to break this to you but the President doesn't necessarily know about every black-ops. There is something known as plausible deniablity, because they never bothered to tell him...

2. It was an ongoing black-ops operation where Reagan could either jeopardize the lives of a bunch of CIA agents or lie (and I don't think Reagan was ever under oath to begin with). Jeopardizing the safety of CIA agents on an active mission is fairly close to treason...

Another thing, this is entirely relevant to Obama, because you're accusing Reagan of things that Obama does on a regular basis.

Now, I know you want to go back to demonizing a great American President to distract from how awful Barack Obama has been as a President, but I'm gonna call you out on it.


Huh... Then if Reagan was out of the loop with Iran/Contra, then I guess it's completely reasonable that Obama knew nothing about Fast & Furious.

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20 Jun 2012, 10:10 am

Inuyasha wrote:
1. You assume Reagan knew about Iran-Contra, hate to break this to you but the President doesn't necessarily know about every black-ops. There is something known as plausible deniablity, because they never bothered to tell him...


After you've learned how to spell it, you may wish to look up the definition of "plausible deniability", which is a goal for every rational criminal.

Inuyasha wrote:
2. It was an ongoing black-ops operation where Reagan could either jeopardize the lives of a bunch of CIA agents or lie (and I don't think Reagan was ever under oath to begin with). Jeopardizing the safety of CIA agents on an active mission is fairly close to treason...


What he did was treasonous in the first place.