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20 Jun 2012, 9:57 pm
20 Jun 2012, 10:09 pm
Raptor wrote:
snapcap wrote:
Don't you think choosing the lesser of two evils is partial how we got to this poor selection of Democrats and Republicans on the ticket? No one chooses who they like anymore, they choice the one that isn't as horrible as the other.
I think people have forgotten that they vote for the person that closely represents their interests and values. Does Mitt hold your interests and values?
I think people have forgotten that they vote for the person that closely represents their interests and values. Does Mitt hold your interests and values?
We've covered this ground before and my position is the same as it was then. It'll still be the same the next time, too.......
I think you're right, we've had Obama for a term already and Romney is nothing but what we've seen already. He sounds like Obama, but he's going to have Bush's advisors.
It is the same ground! How do you make the same choices thinking something different is going to happen. That's insane.
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21 Jun 2012, 10:30 am
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21 Jun 2012, 12:28 pm
Raptor wrote:
Hmmm...........where to start?
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The long and short of it is that some people continue to be deeply repulsed by homosexuality and they vote, period.
Something else for you to chew on is that there are a considerable number of Canadians a that share those same values....
Either here or there it will only change with time, maybe.....
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Do you understand anything I write? Doesn't look like it sometimes..........
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As long as I vote my list isn't totally irrelevant. You can rest assured I vote the type of values I write about here.
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All in all, government decisions are not "better" so all you do by expanding government is more unwise decisions....
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Am I to assume that you think your government is perfect or what? Government perfection is an oxymoron if there ever was one.
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That is a textbook scenario. Trust me when I say that it does not work that way in the real world. Human nature won't allow that kind of efficiency in an entity like a government agency.
I'm really starting to think you just don't get it.
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For the most part we like our constitution quite well, thank you. There cannot be a perfect constitution that addresses every circumstance.
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I don't even know where to start with this. I could easily write a page in response to each sentence but I don't have the inclination to explain to those who are obviously either too naive or just looking for an argument for the sake of arguing and provoking others into the same.
(pssssp............it's called trolling by some definitions)
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It's taken as a complement whenever you or yours do.
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Got that right.
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You'd fail miserably. My mind is as open as my conscience will allow it.
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What you're doing in effect is exposing more of your faulty ideology and arrogance to the right side of this forum and showing the left what they already know about me. In other words it's strictly self satisfying and accomplishes nothing.
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Good luck!
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Why not just roll the whole gay thing into one instead of at the beginning and end of your...........reply.
Well, read what I said at the very beginning of my reply because it applies here equally well.
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To sum it up, the gist of your whole post that I'm replying to now is about your highhanded criticism of the United States and disdain (or hatred, disgust, pity, envy, or whatever) of me.
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Next time spare yourself all the typing and just say "F*ck you, your politics, and your country!".
Better luck next time....
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The long and short of it is that some people continue to be deeply repulsed by homosexuality and they vote, period.
Something else for you to chew on is that there are a considerable number of Canadians a that share those same values....
Either here or there it will only change with time, maybe.....
...
Do you understand anything I write? Doesn't look like it sometimes..........
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As long as I vote my list isn't totally irrelevant. You can rest assured I vote the type of values I write about here.
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All in all, government decisions are not "better" so all you do by expanding government is more unwise decisions....
...
Am I to assume that you think your government is perfect or what? Government perfection is an oxymoron if there ever was one.
...
That is a textbook scenario. Trust me when I say that it does not work that way in the real world. Human nature won't allow that kind of efficiency in an entity like a government agency.
I'm really starting to think you just don't get it.
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For the most part we like our constitution quite well, thank you. There cannot be a perfect constitution that addresses every circumstance.
...
I don't even know where to start with this. I could easily write a page in response to each sentence but I don't have the inclination to explain to those who are obviously either too naive or just looking for an argument for the sake of arguing and provoking others into the same.
(pssssp............it's called trolling by some definitions)
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It's taken as a complement whenever you or yours do.
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Got that right.
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You'd fail miserably. My mind is as open as my conscience will allow it.
...
What you're doing in effect is exposing more of your faulty ideology and arrogance to the right side of this forum and showing the left what they already know about me. In other words it's strictly self satisfying and accomplishes nothing.
...
Good luck!
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Why not just roll the whole gay thing into one instead of at the beginning and end of your...........reply.
Well, read what I said at the very beginning of my reply because it applies here equally well.
...
To sum it up, the gist of your whole post that I'm replying to now is about your highhanded criticism of the United States and disdain (or hatred, disgust, pity, envy, or whatever) of me.
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Next time spare yourself all the typing and just say "F*ck you, your politics, and your country!".
Better luck next time....
Neither of us are doing ourselves any favours here--so let's cut the invective, and turn to the issues of substance. I think there are two (but feel free to add one if you feel that I have missed one): the issue of popular repulsion to homosexuality, and the relationship betwen the Constitution and government decision making.
Voters may well be replused by homosexuality, and they are perfectly free to be so. But they are not free to attempt to use their electoral weight to deny equal protection (equal benefit, in Canadian parlance) to their LGBT fellow citizens. Unless and until they amend the United States Constitution (or in our case, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms) they are on the wrong side of the law. They are perfectly free to hold their opinion, but they are not free to give their opinion legal weight. I would believe that same thing, even if 99% of the electorate believed that homosexuality is repulsive. Until they use that electoral weight to amend the relevant constitutional provisions, their belief cannot be given the weight of law.
As for the second matter, I would never claim that my country's government or constitution is perfect. Far from it. Indeed, I think we have committed exactly the opposite constitutional offence in this country, having gone too far to other extreme and having taken far too much authority away from individual legislators. Since I am employed as a public servant I see the nature of decision making in my government every day, and I participate in it. I recognize its shortcomings and its strengths. But most importantly, I recognize that the work that I do, that my department does and my Minister's accountability for it to Parliament is important. Do we make mistakes? Of course we do--a government is, after all, a human thing. But to suggest that government is always wrong, or mostly bad is, I suggest, to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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21 Jun 2012, 5:24 pm
visagrunt wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Excuse me but we have a dead US Border Patrol agent, and an Attorney General that lied to Congress while under oath, that's just for starters...
So, I'm not being partisan on this, I want some answers, don't bother trying the blame Bush B.S., I've already pointed out that Fast & Furious is entirely the doing of the Obama DoJ.
So, I'm not being partisan on this, I want some answers, don't bother trying the blame Bush B.S., I've already pointed out that Fast & Furious is entirely the doing of the Obama DoJ.
See, I might have believed you. But then you posted the last half of your run-on sentence.
You claim to be motivated by getting answers, but you can't help yourself, you have to throw in a partisan shot. If all you cared about was answers, you wouldn't have drawn a rhetorical fence between the Bush and Obama administrations.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Inuyasha.
Seriously just drop the BS visagrunt, I made that comment because the blame Bush song and dance routine has already been tried on these forums in multiple conversations regarding F&F and you are one of the people that tried to use it.
Operation Wide Receiver operated from 2006 to 2007 and was ended when the Mexican Authorities botched a sting and some firearms went missing... Fast & Furious was started in 2009 after George W. Bush left office, furthermore it has been found Fast & Furious had none of the safety measures that Wide Receiver had (for instance quite a few firearms in Wide Receiver had tracking devices implanted in them to make it easier to track the guns for the actual bust).
I stated the facts visagrunt, which is that F&F was from the Obama DoJ, not the Bush DoJ, stating the blatently obvious truth is not being partisan.
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