Get rid of the laws and let the humans run wild!

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Sure.. free to fear big brother. Speed cameras everywhere, worse than my country about owning firearms, an absolute overload of legalities.

The debate here is who is least oppressed- not who is most free!

You people talk as if it's the laws that make you safe... Yes?

Then why is there crime/ ?

Every time you leave the house you risk being murdered in a passion crime- it happens! Could be you one day- think the law is going to save you?

A murderer is not born a murderer- he is made to become one.

Your society is flawed and it shows results in the form of the misfits.

These ideas have never worked because people fail to see that the crimes you so fear are the product of the setting you are currently in. The room, or cage- whichever you prefer.

The paint on the room's walls is causing a clash in the eyes, so we blindfold the spectators who can't handle it. Instead of painting it a more suitable color.

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Anarchy does not have the lead, the question was what do you think would happen, not what you desire.

"Without law, you have no rights."

Really? In a society where the general standard of living is set and maintained at a comfortable standard, and whose citizens are free to pursue any goal they wish, the pursuit of happiness itself.

You have the right to remain silent in our current society.

Hah! that is funny.

The murder rate per 100,000 in west & central europe is 1.2
The murder rate in Americas? 15.5 per 100,000

Incarceration rates in the USA? 730 per 100,000
In Finland its 59 per 100,000
Norway 73
Sweden 70


So yeah, we aren't free and we live in fear of being murdered all the time.


It's nice of you to rejoin your own thread, now that you are here care to answer this from the first page?

it doesnt stop there even when measuring economic freedom and social mobility you find similar results.

If Obama is re-elected im moving to Canada. If you look at our prison system, people go in for such minor things as drug possession and come out hardened criminals, our prisons turn people into criminals. In addition our prisons get more and more privatized, its a very lucrative business. First off they get more money per inmate than schools get per student, then they can hire out the inmates for cheap labor thus driving out the competition, and they use that money to lobby for more laws and harsher penalties to ensure they constantly gave a slave workforce. Welcome to America, the Prison State. 25% of the worlds prisoners are here, i think Japan has the second largest amount.

Linguist, psychologist, and general intellectual Steven Pinker actually made the exact opposite argument in The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined. He uses historical data to show that as cultures evolved from hunter-gatherer bands to settled city-states to larger kingdoms to modern-day democratic nation-states, they became less violent. A state and its laws reduce the incentives people have to commit violent or exploitative acts towards each other or to retaliate. Another argument he makes in support of this relies on game theory, showing how various laws can move players' incentives away from retaliation, instrumental or preemptive violence, etc.

Who runs the "general standard of living" you propose? And who is to say this person wont corrupt and pervert this system? Remember in Anarchy you have very little accountability for your actions, in order to provide those services you need to put trust in someone to organize and control the distribution of everything, and since everyones basic needs are dependent on that person you are giving him an extraordinary amount of power. And it would be easy or him to abuse it knowing he has your basic needs under his control, all you do is give him the power to hold your needs hostage in order to subjugate you, congratulations you unwittingly just created a dictatorship. Does your system include spme kind of safeguard to prevent someone from twisting the system? And if so, how effective would it be without some kind of regulation to enforce it? And who would be enforcing this regulation? There you go, as the Declaration of Indepenence states in paragraph 2 "and to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just power from the governed. And if the government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the duty of the people to alter it or abolish it as they see fit to ensure their happiness." the Declaration states government is necessary to protect our rights from other people, but if we allow the government to take our rights its our duty to take it back, by force if necessary.

Cry Havoc and let slip the Dogs of War!

ruveyn

I saw a documentary awhile back (Hot Coffee, it turns out) that included a mention of this in part about how Corporate America was trying to delegitimize consumer concerns and push for tort reform.

Wikipedia has a summary of the case:

She required reconstructive surgery to deal with the burns that she suffered as a result.

Now who paid for that? Her insurer did.

What is the right of an insurer who has paid out on a claim? Subrogration. The insurance company gets to stand in her shoes, and sue any party (in her name) who contributed to her injury, and recovery the benefits that they paid out.

Don't go blaming her for greed when just as much responsibility lies in the private health insurance industry that you have created.

Yes, really. All rights are established by law. Name a right, it was established and exists as a law (usually constitutional law but not always). Freedom of the press, freedom of speech, all of them. They have never existed outside of law, in the entire history of the human species.

You're dreaming of a utopian fantasy. Why do you think if we get rid of gov't, everyone is suddenly going to have loads of resources and everything is suddenly going to be rainbows and lollipops? No government means a power vacuum, and that means civil war, warlords, gangs, etc. Prosperity and peace have always been a product of good government, not the lack thereof. In every case.

It was her being greeting and a twit for spilling it on her she did it to herself.

And because she was insured against that risk, the insurer went looking for another deep pocket with which to split its exposure.

This is pretty basic insurance law. Perhaps it shouldn't be this way, but then you're going to have to figure out how to make the financing of the insurance industry work.

I wonder if she would have still sued if it was a ice coffee that she order and complained it was too cold even though that is what she orderd

Thats all fine and dandy but we dont have a good government now do we? I completely agree with your statement except the fact that modern day America is corrupt as hell

My thinking is its generally the religious in power who abuse it, lets get mre secular people in government, remember the last time religion ruled the world the Dark Ages happened, there is a reason for that, and we want these same people that caused that to rule us now? I am almost to the point of losing faith in mankind

Well if it was cold enough to cause injuries that required reconstruction, then perhaps she would have.

Well if it was cold enough to cause injuries that required reconstruction, then perhaps she would have.[/quote

Your missing the point it is not McDonalds fault that some twit spilled their product that some twit ordered from them in the first place.